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Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by bally0241 »

denton-scratch wrote: post #148
beardedwizard wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are failing to consider the spread to vulnerable populations where the symptoms are fatal. Omicron is not mild, people with vaccines have mild symptoms due to its efficacy. All these kids come home to families with parents and grandparents. They also have young siblings.

> Omicron is not mild Anecdotally, I understand it can be pretty nasty - not "like a winter cold", more like bad 'flu (the anecdote relates to an antivaxx family).

I just got it along with family (both vaxxed and unvaxxed, there was no noticeable difference in symptoms). It was somewhere between a 'common cold' and the flu. Not fun, but definitely not something to panic about (understandably everyone will have a different reaction depending on their current state of health). However, I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns on any sort of intervention (they've all failed). Masking is ineffective, lockdowns and social-distancing are ineffective, and the vaccines are ineffective (at least w.r.t. to preventing transmission). We can continue to tear society apart aiming for a 0% safe zero-covid society (which we will never achieve), or get on with our lives and live with the risk.

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Post by sgjohnson »

Glyptodon wrote: post #109
parkingrift wrote: post #95

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Here we go. Move the goalpost. The parents and family should go get vaccinated, no?

Not moving the goal post. I agree that criminalization of leaving home for the unvaccinated gets more appealing by the day. But I also don't know that vaccines actually end it at this point.

I don’t have enough karma to downvote you, so this is my expression of disagreement with your comment.

I simply disagree.

I don’t even want to present an argument, because considering that you think it’d be okay to criminalize unvaccinated people leaving their homes, you are beyond saving and I sincerely hope that you’ll never be put in a position of any authority whatsoever.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by the__alchemist »

I speculate that students who spend time learning from internet resources like Khan Academy will get a significant leg up over their colleagues in this case; even more so than usual.

This applies both in the sense that "They will learn more effectively", and "They'll have a better shot at getting into universities".

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Post by khazhoux »

parkingrift wrote: post #114
lozenge wrote: post #110

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If you are saying "just have positive people attend school and don't bother testing contacts", then you're not just advocating to give all the kids COVID at the same time, but also all their parents and their parents' contacts - in a very short space of time. So basically the entire population? Why then are you only looking at the number of children that have died of COVID?

Please, enough with the hyperbole. No one suggested anything of the sort.

TBH the thought has crossed my mind many times lately. At this point, I strongly believe we're all going to get Omicron (and the next variant) eventually, and it's just a matter of time. So, more and more I just want to get it over with.

Except for the fact that ICUs would overflow, it would be fantastic to just have a "once and done" event. Let (and encourage) COVID to sweep undeterred, and all the vaccinated adults get sick for a couple of days, some of the children get sick (and many will be asymptomatic), and all the stubbornly-unvaccinated meet whatever fate awaits them, all at the same time rather than spread out over the next five years.

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Post by analyte123 »

newsbinator wrote: post #101
parkingrift wrote: post #74

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Those children bring covid home. If you're going to design a virus incubation factory, what you do is put 30 people in a room for 8 hours, turn on the heat, close the windows, try to keep them talking, singing and yelling, then at the end of the day put them on a bus to distribute to every household in town. Repeat for 22 days a month.

If it's true that kids being together in a room is such a biohazard then all schools, music venues, churches, mosques, and gyms should be shut down immediately and never opened again. The buildings would be either demolished or converted into single-bedroom housing. After all, there will be more infectious diseases in the future.

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Post by pvaldes »

kaba0 wrote: post #100
fourseventy wrote: post #80

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COVID is not dangerous to students. Look up the number of deaths of people under the age of 18 due to COVID. It's basically nothing.

Even if it is not dangerous to them, it gives really fertile grounds for spread to student’s families, friends, etc who may be in the vulnerable group.

Even if is not dangerous to them, it could be tomorrow. We are just giving the virus more and more time to kill us and golden opportunities to mutate again, maybe the next time for a sudden worse turn. And we call ourselves a smart species...

The non vaccinated people are a life saver from the point of view of the organism and this people are purposely destroying the economy for everybody.

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Post by isoskeles »

fourseventy wrote: post #76
parkingrift wrote: post #74

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Thank you. I don't understand the hysteria.

The hysteria is a function of how much people hated Trump. Orange man bad => orange man responsible for covid => I must act like covid is the worst, most dangerous pandemic of all time as a signal about how much I hated when Cheetoh Mussolini was president.

It’s quite absurd. I can understand hating Trump, but it’s actually time to move on. We’re going to be captive to this crap until people fully realize their reaction to the pandemic is mostly a product of their political opinion in 2020 rather than scientific fact.

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Post by sgjohnson »

totetsu wrote: post #160
sovietmudkipz wrote: post #79

The best thing about people talking about Covid is how civil and understanding everyone is about everyone else’s perspective. It restores my faith in our society (USA) when I see or overhear a conversation about Covid and our nation’s response to it. I think all people have very high emotional intelligence and have willingness to understand, and not fight. I’m glad that 99% of conversations don’t devolve into tribal…

say that's quite a rhetorical technique you've got going there, you got a name for it?

post-irony

although this is obvious enough to be just satire

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Post by xapata »

viraptor wrote: post #210
parkingrift wrote: post #183

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In NYC you must be vaccinated to... * Work at any private company * Work at any public company * Work at a public school * Visit a public school * Attend a public school * Go to a restaurant, bar, gym, etc This is the law. The "30 people in a room for 8 hours" have a vaccination rate near 100%. So... what are we worried about, again? Why do teachers need to quarantine just because they may have been exposed to someon…

With omicron 2 doses still don't give you much protection. (25% effective) One booster is good, but still ~55% effective. (UK stats) Then you get immunocompromised people and older population where breakthrough infections are still very dangerous. I don't know if reducing the contract would change anything anymore. But in terms of spread via kids, don't think of just the working / school / bar-going population.

Much protection against infection or against hospitalization?
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