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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by wlesieutre »

mikepurvis wrote: post #151
luma wrote: post #123

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Agreed. I'll add to that a healthy application of the Principle of Least Astonishment. If you have a light, there should be an obvious light switch nearby that turns the light on and off, and does so even if your home automation system is offline for whatever reason. "Smart" devices should, wherever possible, function as dumb devices if for whatever reason they can't be smart. There are a whole lot of devices that si…

"An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience."

I know it’s a joke but if the failure mode is “brakes don’t work” on an escalator full of people, it is much worse than stairs

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by abarth »

dman wrote: post #97
abdulla wrote: post #21

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If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Any pointers to any hardware / dev boards that one can run fuchsia on? I remember seeing Intel NUCs being used in the past, is there a recommended hardware configuration for developers now?

https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/development/hardware/intel_n... describes which NUCs are known to work.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by ryukafalz »

kerneis wrote: post #184
ryukafalz wrote: post #180

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Thanks, this is useful information. > For a retail devices, such as the Nest Hub, vendors can build a custom system with additional or different services from what is found in the open-source release. Thanks to stability of the FIDL interfaces, those closed-source services do not prevent the core system from being updated. This is helpful so long as the interface does not change; do you anticipate ever having to chan…

> do you anticipate ever having to change it or do you think it's pretty final at this point? We're not there yet, but defining a stable driver runtime is on our roadmap for 2021: https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/contribute/roadmap/2021/stab... For non-driver interfaces, similar stability commitments may be shared over time, as the platform matures and we get more users. > Are there any sort of security guarantees to…

> Fuchsia is based on capabilities, ie. handles to access resources, and those include memory regions. So a driver will only be able to access the parts of memory that you delegate to it.

Ah thanks - Fuchsia drivers having capabilities to specific memory regions mostly answers my concerns at that level I think.

Well, I guess I'll continue to be both interested in it from a technical perspective and conflicted about it based on licensing.

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Post by mwcampbell »

kerneis wrote: post #208
mwcampbell wrote: post #90

Does anyone know if Fuchsia, or any higher-level environment built on top of it like this new software for the Nest Hub, includes a screen reader for blind users? This will be necessary before Fuchsia can be considered a full replacement for Android, Chromium OS, etc.

Yes, Nest displays have a screen reader feature: https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9167457 As explained in the article, the release of Fuchsia should not change any supported feature (please report a bug via the "send feedback" option if you notice otherwise!).

Thanks for the response. I know what the article said, but I also tend to assume that accessibility will be overlooked or treated as not very important.

I'm tempted to buy a first-generation Nest Hub, maybe off eBay, to find out for myself.

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Post by arthur_sav »

piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

Moreover, they can arbitrarily ban you from their walled gardens and you're more or less screwed.

When their control your email (GMail), business infrastructure (Google Business Apps / Servers etc.), Google Play (matters if you're a developer)... basically your entire digital existence.

I really hope we add more regulations to protect people online. While it's not clear for everyone, your digital existence is an essential part of being part of the society.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by jvolkman »

throwawayboise wrote: post #216
DebtDeflation wrote: post #96

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I'm so done with this smart home stuff. "Alexa, turn on Living Room." "I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding now." I mean, yeah, I can toggle the light switch to get it to turn on, but then it gets screwed up and I need to go into the app to reset it when the internet comes back on. I don't even want to think about a smart thermostat. My dumb thermostat from 10 years ago let's me set timers which is all I reall…

I never bought in to the premise of the "smart home." It sounds like endless minor annoyances and aggravation more than anything.

In my experience it brings minor conveniences: yelling at Google or Alexa to turn on the kitchen lights when your hands are greasy, or dimming the lights with your phone when you're sitting on the couch with a cat on your lap. None of these are huge selling points, but once in place they're nice.

If done right, though, the system just degrades gracefully to a normal set of switches.

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Post by tyingq »

grawprog wrote: post #219
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

>Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from free Web... There's no need to wonder. Fuchsia's been designed to do all those things and more. https://beebom.com/what-fuchsia-os/ Starting with a modular design that caters to device manufacturers tha…

Yep. I would guess the main driver for Fuchsia is that being a microkernel, drivers can be userspace things. So less work for Google to manage phone vendors. And the Fuchsia version of "AOSP" is easier to keep their secret sauce out of since there's no Linux GPL wrangling.
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