I've only recently started fiddling with Fuchsia and I'd be interested to see it running on a device and see how truly usable it could be in the real world. It seems the community is pretty active online which is a good thing: I raised a concern about building Fuchsia on non-Debian based distros and potential solutions(one of which I tested and workes) and I had 4 or 5 replies in a couple of hours. And while the thread has turned into yet another "bash Google" thread, I'd like to thank the engineers for their work and hoping to see more in the future. As I said I haven't tested it on an actual device but if it is as lightweight and versatile as advertised, it has the potential to become incredibly big and valuable. I guess only time will tell.
Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
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Its so weird how fast history is forgotten. Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients. At school there was a grey market to sell gmail invites at 20 dollars per
It really is. Things get comfortable and people assume that's always how it was. Like cell phones. Wow, over a decade of them and if you had one 15 years ago you were considered a early adapter, and 20 years ago you were way ahead the curve. If you had one in the 90's, wow. Still, mobile computer in your pocket, wow.
> Still, mobile computer in your pocket, wow.
it really bothers me, you know?
we've got so much storage and so many/good sensors, yet the software kinda pushes you to use the device for watching dumb videos and/or to argue worthlessly with other random people, so that you can get served ads in the meantime.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its so weird how fast history is forgotten. Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients. At school there was a grey market to sell gmail invites at 20 dollars per
> Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients Only in terms of storage and 'hive mind' spam detection. The UI was pretty shitty, and not much better than Hotmail.
Uh, I still use the no-javascript interface in my personal gmail.
it's immensely fast when compared to modern crapware-gmail.
and btw I remember hotmail too... the nicest thing was that you didn't have to refresh the whole page, e-mails just appeared (ajax probably).
and the conversation view, that was really innovative. i mean, mail clients had been doing threading for like forever, but wemail mostly didn't.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google open source engagement was already "throw over the wall" style before this. I assume things will only get worse now.
Fuchsia, like Chrome, has been open-source for years, and all commits and reviews as well as the bug tracker are public. It is a very different model from how Android releases work. (Disclaimer: I work on Fuchsia at Google.)
How many of your colleagues are outside Google?
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#85Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the correct answer. Do not allow a subtly different technical design distract you from the largest switcheroo here: this is a single-vendor enterprise OS delivered under the guise of open source, it comes with all the trappings of a single-vendor enterprise OS. Let's not be too quick to forget when Android first started out, all the idealism about the wonders of a free software mobile OS. A decade later, it's…
I have a Pixel phone and run GrapheneOS on it. No Play Services, no Google apps, only open source software from F-Droid. Works really well.
That is because you are clearly a Computer person. The average person has their entire digital life owned by Google.
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#87I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?
The personal is political. And the technical is political.
You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.
Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
#8810 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…
I'm wondering when it will be cancelled or replaced with something else
Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
#89I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?
The personal is political. And the technical is political. You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.
>You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.
Why not try?
Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub
#90Does anyone know if Fuchsia, or any higher-level environment built on top of it like this new software for the Nest Hub, includes a screen reader for blind users? This will be necessary before Fuchsia can be considered a full replacement for Android, Chromium OS, etc.