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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by mikepurvis »

luma wrote: post #123
Semaphor wrote: post #105

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You don’t want a remote-controlled smart (actually: dumb) home. You want a fully local solution, then you can add remote, internet-dependent functionality like alexa to it. That way your primary mode of control will always work.

Agreed. I'll add to that a healthy application of the Principle of Least Astonishment. If you have a light, there should be an obvious light switch nearby that turns the light on and off, and does so even if your home automation system is offline for whatever reason. "Smart" devices should, wherever possible, function as dumb devices if for whatever reason they can't be smart. There are a whole lot of devices that si…

"An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience."

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by skocznymroczny »

SiVal wrote: post #19
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

Yes, now when Google's social enforcement algorithms label you an impediment, they can not only delete your YouTube video business and cut you off from your email, calendar, and Google Docs, they'll be able to turn the heat off in your house. The march of progress.

and lock the doors

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by lghh »

macspoofing wrote: post #89
edent wrote: post #87

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The personal is political. And the technical is political. You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.

>You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates. Why not try?

Because I have a conscience.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by larntz »

archiepeach wrote: post #132
DebtDeflation wrote: post #96

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I'm so done with this smart home stuff. "Alexa, turn on Living Room." "I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding now." I mean, yeah, I can toggle the light switch to get it to turn on, but then it gets screwed up and I need to go into the app to reset it when the internet comes back on. I don't even want to think about a smart thermostat. My dumb thermostat from 10 years ago let's me set timers which is all I reall…

I've actually had a really positive experience using a smart thermostat. The main benefit is having a temperature schedule, which my previous dumb thermostat didn't have. It's also handy being able to adjust the temperature from my phone whenever I'd like to. I find controlling it by voice kind of pointless. On the phone, you can easily see what it's currently at, then adjust it for the next e.g. hour, after which it…

I agree being able to change the temperature settings from a phone would be convenient, but they've had "smartish" thermostats capable of relatively complex temperature schedules for at least 20 years.

No need for an internet connection or mega corp data collections.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by unionpivo »

macspoofing wrote: post #89
edent wrote: post #87

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The personal is political. And the technical is political. You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.

>You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates. Why not try?

"Because, I don't want for it to be good, because its Google, but it probably is."

That's what I have going in my mind and it's going to color any of my opinions on it, no matter how how objective I try to be.

So I think It's important to discuss this openly, so we know where we are at.

Looks like there is a growing minority of tech people who distrust Google and I am among them.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by TchoBeer »

abarth wrote: post #12
abarth wrote: post #8

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Fuchsia has a lot of Rust code. (Disclosure: I write Rust code for Fuchsia on a daily basis.)

CLOC says about ~1 MLOC of Rust and ~1.1 MLOC of C++ in https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/+/refs/heads/main/s...

I'd still call this a success for rust in the wild, if a huge entrenched company like Google would include it so much for a big OS play, even if it shares that room with more established languages.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by macspoofing »

Spivak wrote: post #120
macspoofing wrote: post #89

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>You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates. Why not try?

Because then work just becomes a more boring riff on the Nuremberg defense. You can't just be like "I'm just paid to write code and so will completely ignore any and all ethical issues with what my company does with it." There's a reason the ACM code of ethics has "everyone is a stakeholder" and "avoid harm" as the top two overriding principles. I can understand arguments about keeping political issues unrelated to y…

>Because then work just becomes a more boring riff on the Nuremberg defense.

Writing code to build Fuchsia OS does not involve great violations of morality and ethics that call out for something like the 'Nuremberg defense'.

>I can understand arguments about keeping political issues unrelated to your work and working relationships out but you this isn't that.

Where's the dividing line? Wasn't it Basecamp that had a large portion of their workforce quit because they couldn't be activists at work? Was that them mitigating the 'Nuremberg defense'? What about the recent issue with a principle of an elementary schools calling on parents to boycott Israel [1].

There are very few jobs in modern America that have these great ethical dilemmas. There are, however, plenty of people that are willing to engage in hyperbole and politicize every space they can. That's a much bigger problem.

[1]https://nypost.com/2021/05/24/nyc-principal-apologizes-for-a...

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by macspoofing »

lghh wrote: post #153
macspoofing wrote: post #89

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>You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates. Why not try?

Because I have a conscience.

A little hyperbolic, don't you think? If you're writing Fuchsia OS, then you don't a conscience?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by pjmlp »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #98
cookguyruffles wrote: post #24

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This is the correct answer. Do not allow a subtly different technical design distract you from the largest switcheroo here: this is a single-vendor enterprise OS delivered under the guise of open source, it comes with all the trappings of a single-vendor enterprise OS. Let's not be too quick to forget when Android first started out, all the idealism about the wonders of a free software mobile OS. A decade later, it's…

Android would be dead in the water today if it wasn't for Play Services. Developing for Android is still painful today because but Play Services at least meant that you could expect a certain range of features spanning multiple major releases of Android. I'm pretty sure that Play Services wasn't something Google really wanted to have but were forced to implement because so many OEMs just shit the bed w/r/t their Andr…

Only because they didn't licensed Android in a way that would have prevented that in first place, nor have proper clauses on their Play Store contracts.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by pjmlp »

eingaeKaiy8ujie wrote: post #144
c01n wrote: post #86

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That is because you are clearly a Computer person. The average person has their entire digital life owned by Google.

My point is that it's totally possible to have an Android phone without any proprietary Google software components, thanks to Android being open source. Same with Fuchsia - its license should allow to make a fully FOSS privacy-respecting variant, and maybe it would be something I could recommend to my friends or family to replace Windows on their desktop for example (if Fuchsia becomes popular enough). At least such…

Good luck with Android 12, ART is now also part of GSI images and delivery over Play Store.
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