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A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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There is a SIM card in the glove box that supports the Infotainment system and in-car hotspot if you want. I pulled that one out. The car still has another one, somewhere, as I occasionally get calls into the car but I don't pay for that service. I found the fuse for the factory phone but not the SIM, you're right its somewhere but for all I know its not removeable.

You'll probably need to do at least some disassembly to get to it (maybe next time you take the car for servicing). Then you can either wrap the antenna in some aluminum foil or just cut it (which would probably fry the transmitter). I agree, though, all our devices are becoming hostile to us.

Modern transmitters should back down power when SWR (Standing Wave Ratio) is too high, specifically in order to avoid blowing out the front end.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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GPS, accelerometer, AI. It can't be impossible.

More importantly who cares, a couple 10k dead people a year is probably worth a tiny bit of inconvenient, not to mention the 500B in insurance waste.

Bring back drunk driving too while your at it! Fail.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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> So do I have to ride horses to get my privacy back now? You say this in jest, but depending on your locale and transport needs, you could consider a motorcycle or bicycle. The interface is a bit like riding a horse, just more 21st century (obviously). Modern bikes come with ABS and fuel injection, and tires these days are great. Motorcycles don't come with any of the annoying road-car nanny-state stuff. Riding a bi…

> ... motorcycle or bicycle. The interface is a bit like riding a horse, There is no truth to this: First, riding a horse is a _cooperative_ enterprise. You have to communicate with another living being and convince it to do what you want. It is not just a matter of pull one way to go in that direction. Second, the horse has a survival instinct. With good communication that instinct is lined up with your desires. A m…

Anecdote:

The wife and I enjoyed a tourist horse ride. Because of my motorcycle past time I was assigned "the fast horse".

The enjoyable leisurely ride out only had a minor disagreement regards a path shortcut under a low hanging branch.

The ride back included a gallop in shallow lake waters.

Apoplectically incompetent I hung on for dear life trying to balance standing crouched in the stirrups while we proceeded to overtake everyone thanks to the horses own plan.

Thankfully the lead guide called forwards telling it to slow and it was someone else who fell off into the shallow water as we came to a stop.

I am far from being a competent rider - either horse or motorbike - but I'd rather be calling the shots!

To each their own. :-)

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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I recall that fatalities per distance traveled of bikes is atrocious, like orders of magnitude higher than a car

Right on one order of magnitude where I come from (.au) Which is still, while perhaps not as “atrocious” as plural “orders of magnitude”, without doubt something people considering riding bikes be fully aware of and prepared to accept the risk/consequences of. I personally believe you can manage that risk. But I might be bullshitting myself because I want to ride because I enjoy it a lot. 32 years and approaching 1 m…

Melbourne daily commuter rider (at the moment) here.

Risk management is a personal thing. If you are lax about it, expect lax outcomes - which explains a proportion of the 10x worse figure, but not all of it clearly. Some risks you can't mitigate much and humans with a metal shield around them are predictably better off.

Regards kids... I gave up my bike for $$$ to move cities. Upon first kid birth, I bought another bike off a guy who was giving it up because his wife was having a kid.

My friends joked that it was clear his wife loved him more than mine loved me. :-P

But I missed riding, my wife has no issue and the logistics justified the cost. I am still wanting to add ride cameras though.

Enjoy! Best wishes for safe riding.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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"I do not consent to any searches." You can't prevent them, but don't consent to a search just because you don't do drugs, transport drugs, transport anyone who does drugs. Carrying cash is considered a valid pretext for a search (have any coins in a change tray?), as is being too polite or not being polite enough (maybe because you're annoyed at being stopped). Now that a search of your vehicle also includes a searc…

“US Customs and Border Patrol” https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

What are the odds that this remains within the CBP? If police departments decide they can suck all this data from a car without a warrant on a pretext search of a vehicle so you think they won't at least try?

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Is there a reliable list of cars that do not surveil me, or that can be modified to not surveil me? I read a Bruce Schneier article a little while ago (maybe the article was much older) where he said that he looked, but didn't find one that met his other needs.

Answering my own question: Maybe abandoned brands and models, for which the manufacturer has little interest in the data and nobody maintaining that infrastructure.

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You can still buy a brand new Toyota Land Cruiser J70 in 2021. Even though it will be newer than the iPhone 12, it won't spy on you -- because it was designed in 1984. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_(J70)

Unfortunately, only in Australia and parts of Africa and a few other select markets. I've been trying to buy a new J70, but AFAICT you can't buy a new one in the EU or US, and it's practically impossible to import one either. I'd be very happy to be corrected.

The 25 year rule sucks

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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So do I have to ride horses to get my privacy back now? I would totally buy a brand new car without all the "visible" electronics (by visible I mean all the screens and doodads. I don't mind ABS and other "invisible" electronics as long as they are reliable which is not a given nowadays). I don't get the point of turning the interior of a car into a smartphone experience. I watched a YT video of a Mercedess class S r…

Honestly, non-tactile buttons on a car seems ridiculous. You HAVE to look away from the road to do anything. Tactile buttons let you feel around to do things if you need to. That change has made zero sense to me.

Just seems strange that it's 2021 already and touchscreens are still considered acceptable in cars. https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john...

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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Car telemetry, until recently, is still kind of basic and from a surveillance standpoint not that interesting. It's usually just speed, angles, performance, and electricity. It can tell you when the car was started and how long it ran, but not where it went. On the other hand, the MIB or stereo, has a lot more interesting stuff: contact lists, GPS data, media, bluetooth devices, and even Wifi. The clock is GPS synced…

> It's usually just speed, angles, performance, and electricity. It can tell you when the car was started and how long it ran, but not where it went. Assuming that includes wheel speed (and possibly tire pressure) and steering wheel angles, yes, that can be used to compromise where you went (via dead reckoning from your driveway or parking spot).

That data is only available in realtime reading, the only logging ECU's of that era did was fault logging.

Re: A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle and your smartphone

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The problem with older cars, is that safety standards have improved dramatically in that time. So while you might have a "dumb" car that isn't spying on you, in the event of an crash, you are going to be much more likely to be injured. If I had to weigh being spied on with being injured, I'd guess the odds of being injured actually impacting my life negatively as greatly higher. I do miss my old Saab though...

"Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither," as the saying goes, and these recent years that saying has gotten quite a bit more meaningful, I think.

That phrase originally had the opposite meaning: https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famou...

> It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security.

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