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Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by artificial »

BoorishBears wrote: post #166
atomashpolskiy wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've posted an AskHN about self-regulation mechanisms on HN just today and instantly got flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23220998 Please upvote another attempt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23223939

I remember seeing an exchange where a moderator seemed to be able to edit another person's comment well after the edit period with no indication an edit was made. Kind of hope I misunderstood the exchange, but if that's the case that instantly undermines any possible claim to being "ultimate place on the Web to discover and discuss bleeding-edge content" In general HN is not that place anyways. People here confuse me…

Whelp, as far as edits are concerned one could always PGP sign their posts?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by rickdeveloper »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #169
humaid wrote: post #59

Similar happens with the name "Eric Ciaramella", which YouTube instantly deletes. This is a name of a CIA whistle blower. It would be interesting to know what other words are in the YouTube censor list.

Wow. No Wikipedia articles on him either, and reports of people getting permanently banned from Wikipedia for trying to create that article, or even mentioning him in another.

Here's a related Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiInAction/comments/du2nnn/wikipe...

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by shadowgovt »

artificial wrote: post #211
toolz wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have loads of communication channel alternatives. People freely choose google and should be allowed to continue freely choosing whatever platform they please. The idea that some governing body can better choose my communication platform for my personal needs than I can for myself doesn't seem logical from my point of view.

The argument is a popular Authoritarian viewpoint that isn't viewed as such. Meanwhile the work towards decentralization continues, one day I hope it'll get the network effect akin to Bittorrent.

BT has about 170 million users (depending on who's counting). Hardly nothing.

But in terms of network effect... YouTube has two billion users.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by 1cvmask »

All these platforms have always been censorship platforms. It is the nature of the beast. They can explicitly or implicitly censor. They can censor by making sure the algorithm downvotes or content is not discoverable. Many governments, ranging from the US government to other countries have had these platforms like YouTube enforce censorship of content:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/us/politics/youtube-terro...

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by RIMR »

What an infantile understanding of the issue.

The reason that hate speech creates outrage is because it exists to communicate inhuman hatred of others for their immutable characteristics.

The reason that sites like YouTube don't tolerate it isn't that they share in the outrage - it's that they rely entirely on advertisers to keep their bottom line positive, and advertisers aren't going to pay to be associated with hate speech.

Hate speech isn't "mostly subjective". It can be easily identified using a few easy qualifiers. Most people who have trouble defining hate speech are people who, at least partially, agree with it.

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Post by yashap »

gabaix wrote: post #63

Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…

Strongly disagree, there are some blurred lines around hate speech, but this isn’t one of them at all. This is a critique of a political party, that’s clear cut not hate speech.

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Post by atomashpolskiy »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #110
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If this is true, follow the money Isn't it more likely it was flagged off the front page by overly-enthusiastic users? I'll also admit that this link, to a support thread, is more compelling than the Ask HN, where half the comments were questioning whether the phenomenon was actually happening.

Is that more likely? Should it be that easy for a user to flag an article that's trending so far upward? If it is that easy, maybe we should discuss the flagging system because it gives the ILLUSION that it was taken down because there's a conflict of interest.

Please upvote the discussion about flagging: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23223939

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Post by ricardo81 »

stri8ed wrote: post #164
RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope your youtube account isn't linked to a gmail account you consider important.

This is the first time I am seriously considering leaving Gmail. Seems like a royal pain in the ass to switch though, since you don't "own" your email handle like you would a domain.

It's not so bad if you have a domain tied to the gmail account. I use myname@mydomain.com but point my MX records to use gmail for it. So switching for me basically means re-pointing to another mail service.

The only reason I use them is their spam filters are excellent. Otherwise I wouldn't.

Switching would be laborious if you're using @gmail, probably a case of looking at each unique domain name you've received an email from, logging in and switching addresses. Could be relatively methodical about it by taking a backup and then working down your inbox and deleting the emails from those recipients until you have nothing left. Could be a day job.

There is an option in gmail to forward your emails to another address if you wanted to do it over time.

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Post by artificial »

jpxw wrote: post #178
gabaix wrote: post #63

Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…

The words “communist bandit” are not “hate speech”. This is ridiculous. How infantilised have we become these days?

It's a drama called The 21st Century Western World: The Softening.
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