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Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by theboywho » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:36 PM UTC

justforyou wrote: post #215

theboywho wrote: post #209

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Symbolism is as subjective as it gets, an act can be interpreted as heroic by some people while others might think it's stupid. Meaningful moments don't exclude symbolic ones, they extend them by including banal moments like having an ice cream with your kid and enjoying it.

Having an ice cream with your kids and enjoying it is only meaningful due to the cultural symhols and context present in the scenario. Otherwise, you're just hijacking short term reward systems and facilitating the consumption of empty calories to the (health) detriment of all parties involved. There's no inherent meaning in the scenario. Sounds like you are conflating meaning with the felt quality of immediate exper…

I don't agree. It's not necessary meaningful _only_ for symbolic reasons, in fact, you chose to give it meaning that way. You can also simply enjoy the fact your kid is happy and you are having a solitude moment with somebody who you love and who loves you back. In the same way you would enjoy a good tasting Apple, or hot water touching your skin, etc. Unless you are saying that humans are incapable of enjoying life outside of cultural symbols.

You seem to be conflating "am I enjoying this moment?" with "does what I'm doing matter?"

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by theboywho » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:43 PM UTC

justforyou wrote: post #215

theboywho wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Symbolism is as subjective as it gets, an act can be interpreted as heroic by some people while others might think it's stupid. Meaningful moments don't exclude symbolic ones, they extend them by including banal moments like having an ice cream with your kid and enjoying it.

Having an ice cream with your kids and enjoying it is only meaningful due to the cultural symhols and context present in the scenario. Otherwise, you're just hijacking short term reward systems and facilitating the consumption of empty calories to the (health) detriment of all parties involved. There's no inherent meaning in the scenario. Sounds like you are conflating meaning with the felt quality of immediate exper…

I did not mention what kind of ice cream we were having. Ours was a keto-compatible sugar-free ice cream

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by soylentcola » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 7:18 PM UTC

theboywho wrote: post #222

justforyou wrote: post #215

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Having an ice cream with your kids and enjoying it is only meaningful due to the cultural symhols and context present in the scenario. Otherwise, you're just hijacking short term reward systems and facilitating the consumption of empty calories to the (health) detriment of all parties involved. There's no inherent meaning in the scenario. Sounds like you are conflating meaning with the felt quality of immediate exper…

I did not mention what kind of ice cream we were having. Ours was a keto-compatible sugar-free ice cream

Apologies. I thought you mentioned "enjoying it".

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by crooked-v » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 7:28 PM UTC

pfdietz wrote: post #190

brenden2 wrote: post #179

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One could argue that you live on forever in memories and historical accounts.

Those don't live forever either.

Some people are up there at nearly 3800 years so far, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nasir

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by 0xcraft » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 7:29 PM UTC

I have been thinking a nice time to go would be at the finish of an evening of tango. If my wife is still alive we share our final dance feeling the depth of our connection. If she has gone on before me dancing with friends and a bunch of lovely ladies 60 years younger works too. Assuming I make it to 90+ yo.

Though I would like to say a final good bye to my kids. Hm. They would appreciate me making a tango exit from this life, too. So all good.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:39 PM UTC

squiggleblaz wrote: post #170

tartoran wrote: post #161

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I second this. My grandfather’s slow painful leukimia death found me relief when he actially passed. I was relieved that he was no longer suffering, it was an experience that no human should go through..

Maybe there's nothing worse than suffering, but suffering is better than nothing. I would rather suffer an extra week than die.

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Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by kls » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 10:21 PM UTC

theboywho wrote: post #178

kinleyd wrote: post #176

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Well, we don't really know what happens after we die. And a little bit of symbolism is a nice touch that also helps those left behind.

We kinda know that memory lies in the brain and that the brain gets rotten after you die. Symbolism is nice but it can’t replace actually meaningful moments.

If the holographic universe theory holds true then they are indeed not stored in the brain as the brain as well as all matter is a mere projection of reality. Similar to how a monitor is only the projection of the running application. The reality of the application is far different then what user experiences via the monitor.

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2017/01/holographic-unive...

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by kls » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 10:35 PM UTC

narrator wrote: post #80

chrissnell wrote: post #18

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I can’t speak for others but I had appendicitis about 10 years ago and ended up spending almost 8 hours in the ER waiting room suffering immensely. I distinctly remember towards the latter half of my wait that I began to feel a strange sensation of impending doom. I can’t describe it exactly but I feared that I might actually die if I wasn’t called back soon. I later heard that this sensation is supposedly one of the…

Feelings of impending doom are also a symptom of adenosine injection. [1] Interestingly, caffeine is an adenosine receptor antagonist. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine#Side_effects

Had it done to me twice, 2 of the worst experiences in my life. They did the first one and did not push enough. The doc said do you want the good news or the bad news. I choose the good, apparently there is a significant portion of people who's heart does not restart after adenosine, and they have to use the paddles to get it started again. The good news was that mine restarted so it will always restart when given the medicine. The bad news was they did not push enough to stop the SVT so they had to do it again. That was bad news it's a horrible experience. All of the symptoms of a heart attack with the exception of the pain. Can't breath, tingling, darkening vision. You think you are going to die when you feel you heart stop.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by Iv » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 12:28 AM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #207

Iv wrote: post #150

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Oh! Look! Anecdotes from a country where you can get broke if you go the hospital! Surely it applies to people all over the world! You imagine and you assume. Please don't argue about ending other people life based on assumptions and imagination.

Okay, as a paramedic, who has lived in Australia and the UK as well as the US. End of life quality of life is its own issue, regardless of who is or isn't paying. Let me paint you a couple of examples and have you tell me about your desire to face any one of them rather than finding peace: 1) the lady with metastasized bone cancer who (thankfully) we were taking home so she could die there, as her family had set up a…

> You call it "living", it's not

Well she did not kill herself despite being able to, now did she?

> A man who had Alzheimers with some lucidity. Maybe 10 minutes an hour.

Who again did not take those 10 minutes to take his life.

Nietzsche wrote many of his pieces of literature in similar conditions.

> But it's certainly not a coincidence that _many_ people who have spent a good amount of time around end of life events want nothing less than to see it happen to them

Or that could be a bias towards spending most time with the most extreme examples. A bit like how policemen tend to become more racist during the course of their career. A professional's opinion on a moral issue can be more informed but also often more biased.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by shermanyo » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 12:49 AM UTC

cyberferret wrote: post #52

Condolences to his family and friends, but for an entertainer, I can think of no better thing that you remember last in the world, and that is to be entertaining people and to be in the middle of your craft when the reaper taps you on the shoulder. Somehow, me collapsing on my keyboard mid code doesn't seem all that great way to go. I will have to get another passion that I am mid stream in and enjoying life to the m…

The best example of this is Tommy Cooper, a British magician / comedian known for his slapstick style. He'd often stumble steps in his act, or mess up on purpose so you could never really tell what was planned or not.

When he had a heart attack on stage, people thought it was part of his act and the curtain closed to a standing ovation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8zi7vcnjVc