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Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by tartoran »

gambiting wrote: post #157
rusk wrote: post #116

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Speaking as somebody who lost a loved one this way ... it's very hard on the family. I often wonder about my father's last moments ... did he know what was happening? Did he have any regrets, or any last things he wanted to say to people? For us as a family it was like a bomb going off, and we spent many many years cleaning up the debris, and in some ways nearly two decades later we still are. There are plenty worse…

My condolences. If I can just add two cents through - my father spent the last few months of his life dying from cancer, with the final week being nothing but a morphine-induced coma, with his entire body slowly shutting down, him only waking up every now and then to beg for some water(Which he couldn't drink anyway). It was the most horrendous experience I can imagine anyone going through, both for himself and for u…

I second this. My grandfather’s slow painful leukimia death found me relief when he actially passed. I was relieved that he was no longer suffering, it was an experience that no human should go through..

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by Koshkin »

Aeolun wrote: post #138
joeberon wrote: post #133

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It sounds like death is the opposite of what you think it is. DMT is obviously highly activating and opens the neurological floodgates so to speak (as is any seratonin-based psychedelic). Death is the total opposite of this: the total shutdown of all processes, much more like an extreme and total sedation Also is there even such a thing as a lethal dose of DMT?

There’s a lethal dose for pretty much anything.

Except you wouldn't want to die from overdosing on water.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by nerdponx »

rusk wrote: post #116
qwerty456127 wrote: post #113

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> "Sudden Cardiac Arrest": "In over half of the cases, however, sudden cardiac arrest occurs without prior symptoms." Like, the pump just stops. You'd feel faint and then be unconscious. What a wonderful way to die. No sickness, no disability, no pain. Just turn off when the time comes. I wish everybody could die this way. Not too early preferably.

Speaking as somebody who lost a loved one this way ... it's very hard on the family. I often wonder about my father's last moments ... did he know what was happening? Did he have any regrets, or any last things he wanted to say to people? For us as a family it was like a bomb going off, and we spent many many years cleaning up the debris, and in some ways nearly two decades later we still are. There are plenty worse…

It goes both ways. I had a relative die of unknown causes just shy of her 90th birthday; she was working in her garden in the springtime and basically just dropped dead. It definitely was a terrible shock for us, but I really can't think of a better way to go.

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Post by JshWright »

chispamed wrote: post #42
echelon wrote: post #32

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Does this happen in young, healthy individuals? I was reading the Wikipedia article linked in another thread [1], and several of the "sudden" deaths were people in their 40s that appear to have been healthy. Do you feel symptoms, eg. during exercise, that you should listen to so as to inform you to stop whatever activity you're doing? Feeling light-headed, short of breath, blurry vision, etc.? I run and also perform…

Last year med student here, sudden cardiac arrest commonly occur in young people. Apart from infectious myocarditis which you might notice as fatigue and reduced performance after you’ve suffered a respiratory infection, hypertrophic myocardiopathy and especially hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy is often hereditary and can be mortal without showing prior symptoms. That’s why after a patient’s death you usually…

> Last year med student here, sudden cardiac arrest commonly occur in young people.

I think you mean that in the population of people who experience Sudden Cardiac Arrest/Death, many of them are young people. SCD is definitely not "common".

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by prostheticvamp »

rusk wrote: post #116
qwerty456127 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Sudden Cardiac Arrest": "In over half of the cases, however, sudden cardiac arrest occurs without prior symptoms." Like, the pump just stops. You'd feel faint and then be unconscious. What a wonderful way to die. No sickness, no disability, no pain. Just turn off when the time comes. I wish everybody could die this way. Not too early preferably.

Speaking as somebody who lost a loved one this way ... it's very hard on the family. I often wonder about my father's last moments ... did he know what was happening? Did he have any regrets, or any last things he wanted to say to people? For us as a family it was like a bomb going off, and we spent many many years cleaning up the debris, and in some ways nearly two decades later we still are. There are plenty worse…

For what it’s worth:

I lived through just such a thing. It was a wonderful experience - head went light, everything suddenly breezy and far away, too fluffy to cogitate on anything. If my sister hadn’t been there I would have for sure passed, because I certainly wasn’t calling for help.

I imagined for a long time afterwards that that’s probably what heroin feels like, and why it’s so addictive. I was a little wrecked by the fact that the single most peaceful, pleasant experience I’d had in living memory was of dying.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by prostheticvamp »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #125
fyfy18 wrote: post #123

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The death of any loved one is hard on any family, but IMO a quick, relatively painless, death is definately easier. My mother-in-law died from cancer a few years ago, and after many months of pain and constantly in and out of hospitals, when she was finally lying on her deathbed unconcious as her body began to give up, my wife was tasked with making the decision of whether doctors would administer a lethal morphine d…

Very sad to read that. Yet, by the way, why do they always use lethal doses of morphine for euthanasia? I.e. I would strongly prefer a lethal dose of 5-MeO-DMT (which feels like spiritual ascension and dissolution in pure light, union with the universe and non-duality, and then you just forget to breathe in case of a lethal dose) for myself.

I’m not familiar with euthanasia in humans. In animals, phenobarbital is used, not morphine.

In humans, Morphine is used when withdrawing a ventilator. It’s not used to kill the patient. Morphine is very effective at quelling what we call “air hunger”, which is incredibly uncomfortable for the patient (if they can still feel it), and the family (because it sounds like the patient is gasping for air.)

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Post by digitalsushi »

mcv wrote: post #130
fyfy18 wrote: post #123

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The death of any loved one is hard on any family, but IMO a quick, relatively painless, death is definately easier. My mother-in-law died from cancer a few years ago, and after many months of pain and constantly in and out of hospitals, when she was finally lying on her deathbed unconcious as her body began to give up, my wife was tasked with making the decision of whether doctors would administer a lethal morphine d…

It varies. My mother and my wife's father died in the same year. He died suddenly of a heart attack. He was gone, no chance to say goodbye. My mother was diagnosed in the summer with pancreatic cancer, and had only a few months to live. She didn't want chemo, as it was unlikely to do much good, and she didn't want to spend the rest of her life in hospitals. It surprised me how calm she became about everything. She's…

If I could have chosen whether to let my mother die from colon cancer over 18 painful months, or drop dead from a heart attack, I would rewrite history to the heart attack every single time. There is no way being able to say goodbye would overvalue the dignity of being so instantly gone.

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

raxxorrax wrote: post #112
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #100

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Had it happen to a classmate in school. I seem to remember it's either second or third most common cause of death in young people (in rich countries), usually behind traffic accidents. But that has to be considered together with the fact that, generally speaking, young people just don't die . Oh, and to fuel your paranoia: had a friend die in Moscow from a stroke. Death could have easily been prevented, if they had c…

That is pretty horrible. Of course the police would suspect drugs. Maybe they should mandate medical personal being available in every police station. One of our teachers went jogging and just dropped dead from an aneurysm in the brain. His wife told us that he wasn't feeling too well that day, but good enough for a little bit of exercise. He was 33 when he passed and was the youngest teacher we had. His condition wa…

I'd say nobody should even end up in a jail cell if all that happened is that person complaining of nausea, pain, and blurred vision. Or really any medical symptoms.

I'd go as far as saying even someone yelling "I have taken drugs", or having needles stuck in every visible vain should get medical treatment first. In most countries, taking drugs (as opposed to possession and/or sale) just aren't crimes, anyway.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by Jamwinner »

glandium wrote: post #107

Plenty of comments about how this is great for him and it might be, but I'm not sure I'd like to be in a crowd witnessing a performer dying in front of my eyes.

Outside of suicide, nobody gets to choose. Death is, as natural and perhaps even more expected than birth, yet we pretend otherwise to shelter our own sense of mortality. Its an odd arrangement to be sure, but I perfer it to the alternative.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by squiggleblaz »

tartoran wrote: post #161
gambiting wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My condolences. If I can just add two cents through - my father spent the last few months of his life dying from cancer, with the final week being nothing but a morphine-induced coma, with his entire body slowly shutting down, him only waking up every now and then to beg for some water(Which he couldn't drink anyway). It was the most horrendous experience I can imagine anyone going through, both for himself and for u…

I second this. My grandfather’s slow painful leukimia death found me relief when he actially passed. I was relieved that he was no longer suffering, it was an experience that no human should go through..

Maybe there's nothing worse than suffering, but suffering is better than nothing. I would rather suffer an extra week than die.
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