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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by ericdykstra »

evil-olive wrote: post #207
ericdykstra wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If an employee is harassing or demeaning their coworker based on their beliefs, that's enough grounds to fire an employee. Is there any evidence that promoting "pride" and "lgbt tolerance" makes employees treat each other well in cases where they otherwise wouldn't have?

It's not black & white. There isn't just "acceptable behavior" and then "behavior so bad you should be fired on the spot for a first offense". There is a large grey area in between of behavior that might be inappropriate, depending on context, or that might be problematic but easy to correct by saying "here's why that's bad, don't do it again". To think of it another way - you'll get fired for sexual harassment, but…

Companies give mandatory training for sexual harassment and diversity because it's either a legal requirement or a preemptive legal defense against lawsuits.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by patsplat »

Duh corporations are intolerant of discrimination because discrimination is ILLEGAL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1957

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1991

Guess what, corporations are also intolerant of drug use and other activities that many Americans perform but are none-the-less ILLEGAL.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by gergles »

tjr225 wrote: post #162
exabrial wrote: post #78

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For starters: * anti-vaccination * anti-gmo I have a few others, but it saddens me to admit I don't have enough faith that HN is free speech forum.

Wha are you afraid of? Losing internet points? Give me a break.

No, he's probably afraid of someone playing Internet Detective against him for his audacious behavior of going against the currently-approved orthodoxy... and then doxxing him and his employer and starting a manufactured outrage campaign on Twitter until he gets fired.

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Post by paulcole »

_8j50 wrote: post #213
paulcole wrote: post #120

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If my coworker doesn’t believe I have a right to not die from a chronic illness, thinks I shouldn’t have the right to get married, or thinks less of someone because of the color of their skin, then I don’t respect them as a coworker or a human being.

You don't get. That isn't why you should respect them!! Their beliefs are not grounds to or not to respect them. Their beliefs are part of their private life. You are able to change what rights and liberties are allowed to you because you can participate in society and politics without getting fired from your jon and exiled for your unpopular beliefs.

If you think a bigot stops being a bigot during a meeting, I honestly don’t know what to tell you.

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Post by nepeckman »

philwelch wrote: post #113
Analemma_ wrote: post #91

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Name me a couple of these views which haven't changed, and qualified you as left-leaning as a teenager but alt-right today.

Not @AmericanChopper, but I can easily do that: 1. Believing in the near-absolute protection of free speech, even that which I find repugnant. 2. Acknowledging that sex differences are less than 100% culturally determined.

Believing in near-absolute protection of free speech is a lot easier when you're not the direct target of that "free speech." Not trying to assume your specific social location, but I know a lot of centrists who feel as you do, and they are white men. They might be repulsed by Nazi's who advocate ethnic cleansing, but I have to actually worry about what those people might do if they take power. I have a vested interest in making sure they cannot radicalize more people, and as such I am firmly for censoring them.

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Post by wwweston »

ericdykstra wrote: post #194
austinheap wrote: post #158

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From Harvard Business Review: "Results from our experiment involving 118 undergraduate students showed that taking the perspective of LGBT individuals or racial minorities — by writing a few sentences imagining the distinct challenges a marginalized minority might face — can improve pro-diversity attitudes and behavioral intentions toward these groups." https://hbr.org/2017/07/two-types-of-diversity-training-that...

A small sample of students taking a survey isn't very convincing evidence.

It's certainly not total evidence, and I rather imagine there are limits to the effect if it exists at all.

But 118 students isn't that small of a sample (if I'm picking a methodological criticism, it'd be that it's a sample of college students rather than the general population).

And the exercise seems reasonably likely to provide some of the reported effect, and those effects fit with other studies that hold reading/writing fiction improves people's ability to model others better and some degree of empathy.

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Post by chrisco255 »

This has become a big problem. Look at WeWork. That company banned employees from expensing meals that happened to have non-fish meat. I can't think of something more personal than what people choose to eat.

They are imposing their beliefs about diet on employees. It's full blown coercion. Some companies are taking the activism a bit too far.

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Post by bodas »

_iyig wrote: post #168
bodas wrote: post #133

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A straw man would probably not be a very effective employee anyway.

If you feel I’ve misunderstood your comment, or that you did not fully articulate your point, please feel free to elaborate. I’m not overly swayed or impressed by drive-by disparagement.

> misogynistic divorce laws, violence against “immodest” women, and application of the death penalty for homosexuality or apostasy

It is a caricature. You have been reading the internet too much and spent too little time talking to actual Muslim people. However, if you find out that one of your employees is a member of the taliban, feel free to fire him.

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Post by itronitron »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #64
euroclydon wrote: post #35

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The idea that a bunch of highly paid conservative software developers would unionize and get the NLRB involved is rich.

Who said they're all conservatives? I'm a liberal and I'd join this group in a heartbeat.

I like your thought process... embrace, extend, extinguish.

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Post by [deleted] »

justinzollars wrote: post #126
slg wrote: post #28

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Sure, but I'm not the one who lumped those two together. That quote in the article says the conservative critics are the ones jumping to use Jones' ban as evidence of anti-conservative bias. The "critics" are self-identifying as Jones' allies. That is a red flag in my book since many of Jones' views don't deserve respect.

I think the Democratic Socialists of San Francisco deserve no respect; and their policy advocacy will only lead to higher rents, more homelessness and more despair. But I'm not going to take their ability to use the internet away. In High school I really hated NetNanny - I'm not sure why so many people are so determined to become NetNanny.

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