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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by dnautics »

ianai wrote: post #70
madrox wrote: post #63

Has Facebook ever had anything close to cultural principles? At least Google had "don't be evil" for a while. This is such a clear mirror for what Facebook is going through itself. As a company it never stood for anything except for growth and engagement at all costs. When leadership doesn't stand for anything, it invites others to try to guide culture. If Zuckerberg had come out to say either the product or the comp…

I don’t buy that zuvkerberg is a liberal. He’s made it clear he doesn’t respect anyone’s privacy nor honor their trust. He seems highly manipulative wrapped in whatever phrasing works at the moment.

Respecting personal privacy and honoring individual's trust is hardly a liberal policy plank. For better or worse, the platform is predicated on the state generally knowing better than the individual on social policy.

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Post by [deleted] »

civilian wrote: post #99
saudioger wrote: post #48

Kind of moot considering how hard Zuckerberg stanned for Peter Thiel. How much was that Palmer Luckey payout? I'd argue that if you're working for Facebook you're kind of superficially liberal to begin with. Zuckerberg is only liberal until he has to worry about his bank account.

(what does 'stanned' mean? I can't figure out if it's a typo.)

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by ianai »

Analemma_ wrote: post #91
AmericanChopper wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think this is true at all, I think it’s the middle that’s moved. I was quite left leaning when I was a teenager, but some of my views would be called ‘alt-right’ or extreme today. My values haven’t really changed that much, but they’re much more aligned with the right today. (Downvoted within seconds, very nice).

Name me a couple of these views which haven't changed, and qualified you as left-leaning as a teenager but alt-right today.

I can maybe think of a few. In the 90s, the Democratic line was against giving most favored trading status to China, and the republicans wanted free trade with China. Paradoxically, Clinton let that through, IIRC. The reasoning was basically the US will be dwarfed by China’s size sooner or later - the best position for the US to maneuver to was as the strongest partner of them. I’d argue that’s changed more for reasons exogenous to the US political system and not representative of the total.

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Post by justinzollars »

slg wrote: post #28
stochastic_monk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a massive difference between calculated misinformation with incitement to violence and having differing views.

Sure, but I'm not the one who lumped those two together. That quote in the article says the conservative critics are the ones jumping to use Jones' ban as evidence of anti-conservative bias. The "critics" are self-identifying as Jones' allies. That is a red flag in my book since many of Jones' views don't deserve respect.

I think the Democratic Socialists of San Francisco deserve no respect; and their policy advocacy will only lead to higher rents, more homelessness and more despair.

But I'm not going to take their ability to use the internet away. In High school I really hated NetNanny - I'm not sure why so many people are so determined to become NetNanny.

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Post by austinheap »

fatjokes wrote: post #105
_8j50 wrote: post #84

Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

Absolutely. I completely disagree with the whole "bring your whole self to work". No! Bring your professional self to work. The counter-argument is that the causes relate to discrimination in the workforce. I.e., BLM needs to be supported because blacks are underrepresented in the American tech workforce. I disagree these need to be equivalent. It's possible for a company to promote hiring underrepresented minorities…

It's called corporate social responsibility. Companies advocate for their bottom line and their employees at the same time.

As a gay dude that grew up in Ohio -- and had people yell "fag" when I got my diploma at graduation -- I'm beyond happy that the next generation of LGBTQ engineers won't grow up with the same level of hate I experienced.

The arc of moral justice is only bent when force is applied.

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Post by ericdykstra »

megaremote wrote: post #108

> Why are companies promoting "pride"...telling workers to attend 'lgbt tolerance' meetings,etc... Wth!!!! You ask this question, then answer it in your very next line. People don't respect everyone. They are intolerant.

If an employee is harassing or demeaning their coworker based on their beliefs, that's enough grounds to fire an employee. Is there any evidence that promoting "pride" and "lgbt tolerance" makes employees treat each other well in cases where they otherwise wouldn't have?

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Post by [deleted] »

civilian wrote: post #99
saudioger wrote: post #48

Kind of moot considering how hard Zuckerberg stanned for Peter Thiel. How much was that Palmer Luckey payout? I'd argue that if you're working for Facebook you're kind of superficially liberal to begin with. Zuckerberg is only liberal until he has to worry about his bank account.

(what does 'stanned' mean? I can't figure out if it's a typo.)

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by taurath »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #73
ianai wrote: post #61

The Republican Party has moved further and further right for the last 30+ years. When one side of an argument goes extreme it almost forces the other side to react severely. A similar stressor works on young adults. They’ve spent almost the entirety of their lives up until the point they move out or go to college at their parents’ discretion(s).

I don’t think this is true at all, I think it’s the middle that’s moved. I was quite left leaning when I was a teenager, but some of my views would be called ‘alt-right’ or extreme today. My values haven’t really changed that much, but they’re much more aligned with the right today. (Downvoted within seconds, very nice).

You're right, in terms of some social policies. We've gone from it being a left leaning thing to not support assaulting out LGBT people to tacit mainstream support of the idea of having equal rights.

In terms of economics and power, the rich have gotten richer, the republicans have gotten ruthlessly more fundamentalist. Reagan raised taxes. Nixon proposed universal healthcare. Obamacare/Romneycare was originally a Heritage foundation "we wish" policy document. Trump has added a trillion dollars to the deficit for a tax cut, without a peep from the "deficit hawk"s.

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