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Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

What about the poor Hawaiians? For whom it would only be Thursday until early afternoon, at which point it becomes Friday by the UTC overlords' decree.

"When are you free for a meeting?"

"Friday's good for me."

"Should we do Friday afternoon, or sleep on it and meet Friday morning?"

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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I hope my own state follows suit. Before I became a parent, I found the shift to and from daylight savings time a mild annoyance. By the time I had an infant and a toddler, I was roundly cursing whomever decided that arbitrarily slip-shifting our clocks twice a year was a good idea. Kids' sleep schedules don't adjust instantaneously, and when they're too young for explanations to mean much it means it's a twice-a-yea…

I just took a cruise. We had a single day where our clocks were an hour behind. Also, we were on the late (2000) dinner. You can imagine the fun of sitting down at dinner with our 2-year-old when his internal clock was at 2100.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

That will work until Elon Musk opens his Mars settlement. Then we will have to rename "Universal Coordinated Time" to "Earth Coordinated Time" and have separate "Planet Times".

We already have separate planet times, for what it's worth [1].

I can't find it now, but I remember listening to an interview with a scientist involved with one of the Mars rovers who converted his whole family to Martian time for a few weeks or months after his rover landed, since those were the hours he was keeping for work.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timekeeping_on_Mars

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #22

My parents live in Orlando...this is going to really confuse me when I call them from New York, which used to be the same time zone. Oh well, I think this is the right decision in the long run, I hope the rest of the states follow.

... Read the article, they aren't really changing anything (they don't have the power!).

I realized this after I commented; I really should learn to read, might make this software job easier :)

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Even way up north, I'd rather have summer time all year. Having it get dark around 3:30 in the afternoon in the middle of winter is a drag . That said, I've found there's a lot of resistance to the idea among parents. On standard time, it's light out when kids are on their way to school. On daylight time, it would be dark then.

If you're at a latitude that only gets 8-9 hours of daylight in the winter, there just isn't much daylight to go around. If you're adding it to the evening, you're taking it from the morning. While I agree that the sun setting at 3:30 is a drag, I'm not sure pushing that to 4:30 really helps much. During the summer, when you push sunset from 8pm to 9pm, that's at least an hour most people get to use (they are still a…

For the New England states, they're far enough East that it makes sense for them to join the AST time-zone and do away with DST.

Birds start chirping here at 3:30am... that ain't right.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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I live in NZ, I work in California, I get up at 5am in (my) winter, 6am for a few weeks in spring/autumn, 7am in summer - I have breakfast (lunch at) 7/8/9am, I quit at 1/2/3 In case you haven't figured it out DST transitions go the other way in the southern hemisphere - UTC would make so much sense (and for me being at roughly UTC+12 wouldn't be such a big deal) having said that I'm a big fan of just being on perman…

So on Saturday morning when you start it's still Friday morning at work. To them, you're from the future.

I work NZ days and California hours (they see it as Sun-Thu)

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

Everyone should start using 24hr clocks as well. It would remove a ton of ambiguities.

Oh, and using ISO8601 everywhere. Dates should always be represented as [YYYY]-[MM]-[DD]. Seriously, why do some systems even support other calendar systems?

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #123

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DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.

If you are sufficiently far north / south, you adapt your culture to not treat 4pm like people who have 18 hours of sunshine every day year round treat 4pm. You don't change the clock and act like thats changing the flow of time. It helps that you almost certainly already don't treat 4pm like that anyway since you are wearing 4 layers of clothing while those 18 hour sunshiners are going shirtless.

Every location on earth has the same number of daylight hours when averaged over an entire year (12 hours). More Northerly/Southerly location just have larger variation over the year, and have less average light intensity normal to the earth's surface due to the relative angle of incoming sunlight.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Come on, acting dramatic without offering anything to the discussion is completely useless behavior. Why is it terrible?

It appears someone beat me to it, take a look above. It's been a topic of discussion here before, and there are some very good reasons why this is not the case. Like not knowing what time someone might be awake in a different location, or not knowing what business hours might be across the world.

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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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The problem is that in parts of the Northeast, permanent EST would have significant deficiencies in the summer while permanent EST-1 would have significant deficiencies in the winter. Permanent EST: As it is, the sun rises in Boston before 5:30 AM from May 9-July 25, 2.5 months. With permanent EST, the sun would rise before 4:30 AM for those 2.5 months. People would much rather have that sunlight later in the day whe…

You only have the cultural expectation of "always get up at 7am" because of the insane timezone system. If sunrise changes throughout the year, changing the time you wakeup is the natural answer. Having an obtuse and indecipherable timekeeping system instead is insane. The answer is to get up at 5 in the Summer and 7 in the Winter, or even better to get up at 10 in the Summer and 12 in Winter since you would put ever…

I'm with you when you say to get up at 5 in summer and 7 in winter, but putting everyone on UTC, now that's really insane. The people in Australia aren't going to eat lunch at 12 so-called midnight.
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