Suicidal Software Developer

Post by igravious » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 1:01 AM UTC

mreiland wrote: post #183

igravious wrote: post #182

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1) The person above never claimed above that losing their faith directly caused their suicidal depression. As such your anecdote does not balance out any judgment about religion I have. 2) I am already ideologically committed to being ill-disposed towards the concept of religion and, honestly, your single datum won't change that. 3) Are you claiming that your friend found God (they had no faith faith before) and this…

To answer 4: Human beings perceive things through emotion, so anything that cause a perspective shift that enables them to deal with their emotions/the situation in a more positive manner helps them cope, be that getting religion, losing religion, or some other circumstance in their life. Also, you're an asshole for using this thread to start pushing an agenda.

Post by gress » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 1:18 AM UTC

gobots wrote: post #204

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You said that you are learning about religion. People thought you were learning about religion. Those people would have understood your point if you had said that you are learning about atheism.

Once again, I have to point out I am an atheist, I'm not learning about atheism. Science != atheism. Reading about the evils of religion != learning atheism.

Post by igravious » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 1:47 AM UTC

gobots wrote: post #203

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Truly remarkable. I take it you saw the recent New York Times article about belief formation. It stated exactly what you say here, that direct attacks just strengthen a person's ideologies. It sounds like you must have worked very hard to avoid self-knowledge. That's so sad. I'm really really happy for where you are now though. I've had countless conversations with religious fundamentalists that end in them asking me…

I missed the article but it sounds interesting, please link it if you have it. You are correct only to a point when it comes to self-knowledge. I am horrified that I was never allowed to learn about evolution and science in general, though I've done my best to catch up (started with the cosmos series from the 70s, just finished The Grand Design for the second time and am currently reading Cosmos and the Greatest Show…

Post by puppetmaster3 » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 2:42 AM UTC

steveklabnik wrote: post #49

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I'n not sure what the down votes. Seems like change of venues is great suggestion.

In case you're serious, it's because "do not be a crybaby" is not an appropriate response to someone suffering from mental issues. If you said to me "Hey, I cut my hand really badly, and I'm bleeding quite seriously. What should I do?" it wouldn't be correct to say "do not be a crybaby." The right answer is "Go to the hospital and get some stitches." It's the same with mental issues. They're a wound like any other.

Post by knowtheory » Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 2:58 AM UTC

puppetmaster3 wrote: post #216

steveklabnik wrote: post #49

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In case you're serious, it's because "do not be a crybaby" is not an appropriate response to someone suffering from mental issues. If you said to me "Hey, I cut my hand really badly, and I'm bleeding quite seriously. What should I do?" it wouldn't be correct to say "do not be a crybaby." The right answer is "Go to the hospital and get some stitches." It's the same with mental issues. They're a wound like any other.

Do you have data on that? That that is not helpful. My parents said it to me and we say it among friends, there are even burger commercials saying same thing. Maybe that is the thing to say. Change venue and toughen up.