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The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by gwu78 »

onedognight wrote: post #47
gamblor956 wrote: post #43

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#1 is not a GS3 problem, it is a carrier problem specific to Vodafone, which had a marketing deal with Pizza Hut at the time of the GS3's release. Other carriers did not forcibly include undeletable Pizza Hut bookmarks.

No. It's a Samsung problem. You don't see crapware on iPhones do you?

Yes, I do. It's called "Share" where the only options are Facebook and Twitter.

Why can't Apple let iOS users use the underlying universal, open protocols directly to do file transfers (data export) without installing a hodgepodge of third party apps which barely do the job?

You could argue Pizza Hut is the only pizza that Galaxy users will ever need. You could also argue that posting to Facebook and Twitter are the only means of data export that iOS users will ever need. You could also make a fool of yourself by making such arguments.

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Post by ce4 »

criley2 wrote: post #72
malandrew wrote: post #64

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Actually you do. Tell me again why I can't delete either Game Center, Stocks or other stock Apple apps on the iPhone.

Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want.…

Samsung is not pretty good regarding community support, here's an in depth story from a former CyanogenMod maintainer for Samsung's Exynos4 based devices (S2/S3/Note/Note2/etc) [1].

For example, emergency calling functionality was broken for a long time and has been reverse engineered only recently [2].

[1] https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/aoAGK5yo... [2] http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-fixes-emergency-ca...

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by [deleted] »

criley2 wrote: post #72
malandrew wrote: post #64

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Actually you do. Tell me again why I can't delete either Game Center, Stocks or other stock Apple apps on the iPhone.

Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want.…

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Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by rrreese »

criley2 wrote: post #72
malandrew wrote: post #64

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Actually you do. Tell me again why I can't delete either Game Center, Stocks or other stock Apple apps on the iPhone.

Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want.…

>>Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features.

I'll point you to the Apple weather app with the prominent Yahoo! link at the bottom left. This would be more tolerable if the app itself wasn't terrible. I really wish I could delete Apple's apps, why not come with them installed and let you remove and re-add, say like podcasts.

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Post by sjwright »

piyush_soni wrote: post #205
sjwright wrote: post #199

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I can't delete your post from Hacker News. Therefore by your logic it's also intrusive crapware. Sigh.

Aah. You don't pay to come here, and it's not your property. It's a public forum, which by definition has comments from people which you might or might not like :). Here, only the comments which public on the whole like should be there - and that is already the case - if majority doesn't like it, it'll automatically get suppressed. A phone is a different thing - it's a personal property. Only the things you like shou…

> Only the things you like should be there on your phone.

Moral of the story: don't live in the USA.

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Post by PeterisP »

mikeash wrote: post #169
PeterisP wrote: post #154

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You can do such a comparison probably in any country worldwide except US. For US in particular the "subsidy" answer is simple - no, you're not getting any subsidies, in mobile comms pricing you're getting ripped off, and noone has any idea on how to fix it.

I don't understand this idea that subsidies are mutually exclusive with getting ripped off. Yeah, I pay a lot of money. I also get ~$450 back to help pay for my phone. That's a subsidy. The fact that my monthly bill is ~$65/month/person is irrelevant to that.

It's actually a very good point - yes, in USA that is a cross-subsidy where phone service income is used to subsidize handset purchase. In other places, where the basic phone service is commoditized and cheaper, then the monthly handset payment usually isn't subsidized; it's just that when I see "$65/mth" I mentally think "$20/mth phone bill + $45/mth handset payment", which comes out as overpriced phone; but in your example it should be treated as a large phone bill subsidizing handsets.

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Post by mikeash »

PeterisP wrote: post #216
mikeash wrote: post #169

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I don't understand this idea that subsidies are mutually exclusive with getting ripped off. Yeah, I pay a lot of money. I also get ~$450 back to help pay for my phone. That's a subsidy. The fact that my monthly bill is ~$65/month/person is irrelevant to that.

It's actually a very good point - yes, in USA that is a cross-subsidy where phone service income is used to subsidize handset purchase. In other places, where the basic phone service is commoditized and cheaper, then the monthly handset payment usually isn't subsidized; it's just that when I see "$65/mth" I mentally think "$20/mth phone bill + $45/mth handset payment", which comes out as overpriced phone; but in your…

Exactly.

Interestingly, it seems that the US market is slowly moving toward the way you're saying. T-Mobile, for example, now offers cheaper service by default, and if you want a "subsidized" phone, they treat it as a loan that you pay back over time, and charge that amount separately. The other providers have introduced plans for people who want to upgrade every year rather than the standard every two years, which involves paying an extra monthly charge on top of the regular bill.

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Post by carlosrg »

piyush_soni wrote: post #152
carlosrg wrote: post #139

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I hope you're trolling or joking. Comparing a Pizza Hut bookmark with iOS built-in apps, just wow. I mean, I knew Apple haters were dense but this is excessive.

Really, I think the same. Comparing just a browser bookmark which doesn't always come in your way with an ever intrusive app and loving crapware just because it's from their loved company? I mean, I knew Apple fans are dense, but this is excessive.

Whatever. I just can't argue with a person that believes an ad is the same as a built-in functionality. I can't understand what kind of logic and thinking is going in your head, really.

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Post by criley2 »

onebaddude wrote: post #198
criley2 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want.…

> Features =/= Crapware "Feature" is just semantics, then. I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap.

>I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap.

I totally agree and Google's forced G+ integration with the newer G+ Games services is very frustarting too.

No G+ I do not want your crappy me-too social network attached to my gaming apps.

But as is generally the case, I imagine people will hate Apple and love Google for doing the same business practice...

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by do-it-good »

siglesias wrote: post #209
eropple wrote: post #201

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> Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music? Yes. This is quite real of me, I assure you. If I can't make it Go Away if I have no use for it, it's spam. As it happens, I've consolidated my reading. It isn't in Newsstand. It should not trouble me if I don't want it, and having a "junk" drawer is a sad non-solution.

The common definition of spam is something that most people consider junk but a few people might use, thus justifying inflicting it upon everyone. Your definition is almost the opposite: something that most people find useful but that you happen not to need. This is an abuse if not outright misuse of the term.

Haha, many people just find it too painful to admit they were ever wrong. So once they say they support a given team, party, church, company they start ignoring all evidence against it.

Interesting how after your original argument (the difference between app and bookmark) was defeated you came up with a new one (percentage of people liking).

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