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Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by comex »

piyush_soni wrote: post #157
nailer wrote: post #27

Disappointing, but not a surprise: 1. Galaxy S 3 includes undeletable Pizza Hut bookmark http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1707047 2. Galaxy custom web browser allows random web sites to make links that wipe and reset the phone: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/117422-samsung-galaxy-s-3-re...

All those complaining about Vodaphone S3 coming with a little bookmark which can't be deleted, and still somehow don't find Apple's crapware which can't be uninstalled too bad, two things: 1) That was really only the stock browser. You can very easily install much better browsers and make them the default - Chrome, Firefox, Dolphin browser. Isn't it amazing and unheard of in Apple's world? 2) And, FYI, you can still…

There was also a trick to hide Newsstand in a folder without jailbreaking, before that became a feature. Doesn't matter to almost all users. I'd say the main factors for determining whether something is "crapware" are (a) the inherent odiousness of the software/bookmark/etc., (b) the difficulty of avoiding it, and (c) the level of technical justification for making it unremovable...

For Pizza Hut: (a) very odious, because it's pure marketing, irrelevant to the normal use of the device, and adds no useful functionality, since most users probably don't want a Pizza Hut bookmark, or could easily add one if they did; (b) requires switching completely to a new browser; (c) none, since a user is very unlikely to accidentally delete the bookmark and then be at a loss for how I get it back.

For Apple apps: (a) not much, since the apps are well designed and using Apple services with Apple's phone is a normal use case that applies to most users; (b) generally can be entirely avoided by moving to a folder, although it isn't always possible to replicate their functionality in third party apps, which is unfortunate (the previous inability to do so with Newsstand is essentially an implementation defect, since it was treated as a folder itself); (c) some, since although all apps ought to be redownloadable from the App Store, system apps are sort of a holdover from the original iPhone OS, and most new Apple apps have been put on the App Store, even things like iBooks.

Neither situation is great, but there's a big difference.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by gcb0 »

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #180
gcb0 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, i can't move the magazines crap to the 'garbage' folder. Also, i can't use amazon appstore or something like that. app store lock-in is the ultimate bloatware. Only place i really don't see bloatware is on my hacked HP touchpad. My only tablet until a month ago was a 32gb HP touchpad that I got from $199. On day one I installed android on it and helped with some the kernel tweaks. Now i'm just running cyanogenmo…

> i can't move the magazines crap to the 'garbage' folder. As of iOS 7, you can move the Newsstand rack into a folder. http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57602683-285/with-ios-7-... > Multitask [on iOS on iPad 4] is so crap that, I kid you not, changing tabs in the browser, or going back one page, results in a full redraw of the page, and sometimes a refresh of that page. [...] Changing apps is even worse. Several a…

Yep, on IOS7. i actually got the device a day before it was officially out. to be honest, i'm using it for all my liner-web-browsing despite all the shortcommings, because the screen is that awesome.

you were right on the newstand thing. moved to the garbage folder.

Now the multitasking, all i've described is on IOS7.

The page refresh happens when reading hacker news, so i'm not sure it's a memory issue. It's just bad user experience based on some dumb assumption at design time probably.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by gcb0 »

yareally wrote: post #166
gcb0 wrote: post #134

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Yes, i can't move the magazines crap to the 'garbage' folder. Also, i can't use amazon appstore or something like that. app store lock-in is the ultimate bloatware. Only place i really don't see bloatware is on my hacked HP touchpad. My only tablet until a month ago was a 32gb HP touchpad that I got from $199. On day one I installed android on it and helped with some the kernel tweaks. Now i'm just running cyanogenmo…

> I'm just very glad i have the touchpad. Wonder if a nexus tablet is as good... probably not. I prefer my Nexus 7 over my Touchpad. It's a bit faster and much lighter. Touchpad has mostly been relegated to the Touchstone charging dock since I got the Nexus 7 last year. Also, no app compatibilities that the Touchpad had at times (mostly due to the 1024x768 screen). Also, the Touchpad is far from perfect when running…

I use my touchpad with the native DPI, which is not officially supported, and never had any problem with app compatibility due to the screen... but i don't use many apps.

mostly browsing.

Also, i'm on CM9. which is android 4.0 something. The last thing that didn't work and was holding me on CM7 is the camera. It's working now. CM10, android 4.2 is coming and the reports are good, but it is a work in progress. That said. There is ZERO features i want from 4.2. OTH, CM7 and 9 have a feature where i can limit which permissions the APP is allowed to use at runtime. and other niceties such as render effects, etc. noted, all available on all androids, but not exposed as options to the user. because users are dumb or something and can't have options.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by interpol_p »

gcb0 wrote: post #134
onedognight wrote: post #47

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No. It's a Samsung problem. You don't see crapware on iPhones do you?

Yes, i can't move the magazines crap to the 'garbage' folder. Also, i can't use amazon appstore or something like that. app store lock-in is the ultimate bloatware. Only place i really don't see bloatware is on my hacked HP touchpad. My only tablet until a month ago was a 32gb HP touchpad that I got from $199. On day one I installed android on it and helped with some the kernel tweaks. Now i'm just running cyanogenmo…

His point is that Samsung allows carriers to manipulate and install crapware on their phones. Apple does not.

Whether you think built-in iOS features are "crapware" is besides the point. Everything that ships with iOS is put there deliberately by Apple. Compare that to a Samsung device, where you will be getting stuff put there by Samsung (which you might agree with and want) plus random stuff put there by carriers (which you almost certainly don't want).

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by yareally »

gcb0 wrote: post #194
yareally wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm just very glad i have the touchpad. Wonder if a nexus tablet is as good... probably not. I prefer my Nexus 7 over my Touchpad. It's a bit faster and much lighter. Touchpad has mostly been relegated to the Touchstone charging dock since I got the Nexus 7 last year. Also, no app compatibilities that the Touchpad had at times (mostly due to the 1024x768 screen). Also, the Touchpad is far from perfect when running…

I use my touchpad with the native DPI, which is not officially supported, and never had any problem with app compatibility due to the screen... but i don't use many apps. mostly browsing. Also, i'm on CM9. which is android 4.0 something. The last thing that didn't work and was holding me on CM7 is the camera. It's working now. CM10, android 4.2 is coming and the reports are good, but it is a work in progress. That sa…

Since you mentioned 4.2 on the touchpad, you might be interested in this:

https://plus.google.com/104277415207525128383/posts/dv6tyqLV...

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by thejosh »

onedognight wrote: post #47
gamblor956 wrote: post #43

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#1 is not a GS3 problem, it is a carrier problem specific to Vodafone, which had a marketing deal with Pizza Hut at the time of the GS3's release. Other carriers did not forcibly include undeletable Pizza Hut bookmarks.

No. It's a Samsung problem. You don't see crapware on iPhones do you?

For carriers, yes.

Optus in Australia adds a lot of extra crud - default homepage, bookmarks, contacts into the iPhone, special categories in settings....

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by onebaddude »

criley2 wrote: post #72
malandrew wrote: post #64

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Actually you do. Tell me again why I can't delete either Game Center, Stocks or other stock Apple apps on the iPhone.

Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want.…

>Features =/= Crapware

"Feature" is just semantics, then.

I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by sjwright »

piyush_soni wrote: post #152
carlosrg wrote: post #139

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I hope you're trolling or joking. Comparing a Pizza Hut bookmark with iOS built-in apps, just wow. I mean, I knew Apple haters were dense but this is excessive.

Really, I think the same. Comparing just a browser bookmark which doesn't always come in your way with an ever intrusive app and loving crapware just because it's from their loved company? I mean, I knew Apple fans are dense, but this is excessive.

I can't delete your post from Hacker News. Therefore by your logic it's also intrusive crapware.

Sigh.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by zarify »

onebaddude wrote: post #198
criley2 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Features =/= Crapware Apple was not paid by a third party to include it's own software features. Game Center is like S Voice, a first part developed software that is billed as a "Feature". Apple has no equivalent to "Pizza Hut" bookmarks that can't be deleted, because they control their carrier relationships better than Samsung who is willing to give their partners the freedom to install and screw up what they want.…

> Features =/= Crapware "Feature" is just semantics, then. I'll take a pizza ad over Game Center opening up and asking me to make an account every time I play a game, thanks. But unlike the Apple die-hards, I can admit that both a utter crap.

Actually I think that post-Game Center games are much better behaved. Remember what it used to be like to OpenFeint and whatever the other one was that I don't remember the name of? That was far more obtrusive before Apple put in their own version and everyone started using that instead.
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