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Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by eropple »

siglesias wrote: post #187
eropple wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newsstand is spam if you want nothing to do with it. It is an imposition upon the device I own. With Android, I can disable any app I want, even built-in ones (for example, Samsung includes a bookmark provider that adds Samsung bookmarks, which I don't want). Here's a thought: when all you can do is rail against the "haters", you are in a bad state of mind.

Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music? Get real. There's a difference between Newsstand, which exists because it's very common for touch-device users to consolidate their reading subscriptions (as there is one for music and videos), and bloatware, which third parties pay companies to add to the OS and which detract from the experience.

> Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music?

Yes. This is quite real of me, I assure you. If I can't make it Go Away if I have no use for it, it's spam. As it happens, I've consolidated my reading. It isn't in Newsstand. It should not trouble me if I don't want it, and having a "junk" drawer is a sad non-solution.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by mietek »

jl6 wrote: post #78
sigkill wrote: post #37

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THIS is what I don't understand. Why do people call it "subsidized" when you're locked in to a 2 year contract with an early termination fee. IT IS NOT SUBSIDIZED, PEOPLE. You may say, well I'm paying the same per month whether I take a new phone or not from the carrier, so... it's subsidized right? Nope, they're just gouging you when you're on an old phone. Taking the new phone just slightly reduces your disadvantag…

Not sure how it works in the US but last time I bought a new phone in the UK I calculated the total cost of ownership over 24 months of various options, including buying the phone unlocked plus a SIM-only airtime deal, and getting the phone-plus-airtime on a contract. The contract worked out cheaper. That's a subsidy isn't it?

Same here. It's grim on the wrong side of the pond.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by nwp90 »

jl6 wrote: post #78
sigkill wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THIS is what I don't understand. Why do people call it "subsidized" when you're locked in to a 2 year contract with an early termination fee. IT IS NOT SUBSIDIZED, PEOPLE. You may say, well I'm paying the same per month whether I take a new phone or not from the carrier, so... it's subsidized right? Nope, they're just gouging you when you're on an old phone. Taking the new phone just slightly reduces your disadvantag…

Not sure how it works in the US but last time I bought a new phone in the UK I calculated the total cost of ownership over 24 months of various options, including buying the phone unlocked plus a SIM-only airtime deal, and getting the phone-plus-airtime on a contract. The contract worked out cheaper. That's a subsidy isn't it?

No. It might be a rip-off if you have your own phone, though.

It could be all sorts of things (cheap credit, loss-leader etc.) but I doubt it ever qualifies as subsidy.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by eonil »

onedognight wrote: post #47
gamblor956 wrote: post #43

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#1 is not a GS3 problem, it is a carrier problem specific to Vodafone, which had a marketing deal with Pizza Hut at the time of the GS3's release. Other carriers did not forcibly include undeletable Pizza Hut bookmarks.

No. It's a Samsung problem. You don't see crapware on iPhones do you?

I fully agree. Whatever craps on iPhone, that's Apple's problem (if exist...). Exactly like that, whatever craps on Galaxy, that's Samsung's problem. (also if exist).

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by piyush_soni »

sjwright wrote: post #199
piyush_soni wrote: post #152

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Really, I think the same. Comparing just a browser bookmark which doesn't always come in your way with an ever intrusive app and loving crapware just because it's from their loved company? I mean, I knew Apple fans are dense, but this is excessive.

I can't delete your post from Hacker News. Therefore by your logic it's also intrusive crapware. Sigh.

Aah. You don't pay to come here, and it's not your property. It's a public forum, which by definition has comments from people which you might or might not like :). Here, only the comments which public on the whole like should be there - and that is already the case - if majority doesn't like it, it'll automatically get suppressed. A phone is a different thing - it's a personal property. Only the things you like should be there on your phone. If that's not the case, it's bad - now favoring one more intrusive crapware and cursing a less intrusive one because of a bias, is bad.

Anyway, you completely missed the point of my comment :).

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by statictype »

interpol_p wrote: post #195
gcb0 wrote: post #134

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Yes, i can't move the magazines crap to the 'garbage' folder. Also, i can't use amazon appstore or something like that. app store lock-in is the ultimate bloatware. Only place i really don't see bloatware is on my hacked HP touchpad. My only tablet until a month ago was a 32gb HP touchpad that I got from $199. On day one I installed android on it and helped with some the kernel tweaks. Now i'm just running cyanogenmo…

His point is that Samsung allows carriers to manipulate and install crapware on their phones. Apple does not. Whether you think built-in iOS features are "crapware" is besides the point. Everything that ships with iOS is put there deliberately by Apple. Compare that to a Samsung device, where you will be getting stuff put there by Samsung (which you might agree with and want) plus random stuff put there by carriers (…

Why does it matter to me, the customer, whether the crap on my phone that I can't get rid of was placed there by Samsung or my Carrier or Apple? It's still crap that I can't get rid of.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by ankitml »

onedognight wrote: post #47
gamblor956 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#1 is not a GS3 problem, it is a carrier problem specific to Vodafone, which had a marketing deal with Pizza Hut at the time of the GS3's release. Other carriers did not forcibly include undeletable Pizza Hut bookmarks.

No. It's a Samsung problem. You don't see crapware on iPhones do you?

That might be an android problem! iOS doesnt allow but android does allow carriers to shit around.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by ankitml »

piyush_soni wrote: post #152
carlosrg wrote: post #139

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I hope you're trolling or joking. Comparing a Pizza Hut bookmark with iOS built-in apps, just wow. I mean, I knew Apple haters were dense but this is excessive.

Really, I think the same. Comparing just a browser bookmark which doesn't always come in your way with an ever intrusive app and loving crapware just because it's from their loved company? I mean, I knew Apple fans are dense, but this is excessive.

no one has paid apple to do that. It is not an advertisement. It is more of like internet explorer built in. Whereas undeletable advertisement bookmark is like having a unchangable wallpaper by some third party.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by siglesias »

eropple wrote: post #201
siglesias wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music? Get real. There's a difference between Newsstand, which exists because it's very common for touch-device users to consolidate their reading subscriptions (as there is one for music and videos), and bloatware, which third parties pay companies to add to the OS and which detract from the experience.

> Is the phone app spam if I want nothing to do with it? The music app if I don't listen to music? Yes. This is quite real of me, I assure you. If I can't make it Go Away if I have no use for it, it's spam. As it happens, I've consolidated my reading. It isn't in Newsstand. It should not trouble me if I don't want it, and having a "junk" drawer is a sad non-solution.

The common definition of spam is something that most people consider junk but a few people might use, thus justifying inflicting it upon everyone. Your definition is almost the opposite: something that most people find useful but that you happen not to need. This is an abuse if not outright misuse of the term.

Re: The new Galaxy Note 3 is region-locked

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Post by liquidcool »

I've got a Note II and if you look on Wikipedia[1] you'll see there are 16 different models. Mine is one of the two designated as "International" and it was factory unlocked.

I think we need to hold judgement until all the facts are in. It's very possible that they will create an unlocked international version of the Note III as well. From the outcry, it sounds like it would sell well. Only question is if it will have the same limitation as the international Note II: no LTE.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Note_II

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