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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Excellent. Yes, please give free users more access and leave paying codex users in the dust. Wise plan, Sam.

What do you mean? Codex paid plan treats me quite well. I'm not going to complain that free users get more shit, especially when it doesn't affect me in any way.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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post #168

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How are the models too dumb? How are they dumber than the average person? I wonder if anyone gave Claude an IQ test (the one for humans).

I just asked Fable 5 max to create a 2d game about caterpillar climbing a tree and eating fruits. The game looks good - animations, 8-bit aesthetics, procedural tree branching, but the tree's branches are dead ends. You can't go back once you started climbing a branch. Yes, LLM doesn't have a reliable way to test it's game yet. All the screenshots, and playwright tests will never be enough to test even a simple game.…

Current Gemini Flash models can take video input. They're not hyper-specialized coders, but they're better than the competition on many tasks. They seem to be better with spacial reasoning, as well - they are the best choice for OpenSCAD, for example.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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For me on a paid plan, the effort indicator was hidden and the model was 5.5 instant. I had to press the + button to select “think harder” before the dial that allowed Sol medium or high to be selected to show. It made me wonder how many paid subscribers realize they are using the same 5.5 instant model as free users by default. A dark pattern or oversight?

A lot of users are very latency sensitive. The median ChatGPT.com user is not like the HN community; many of my friends use ChatGPT like it’s the Omnibox in chrome.

I’ve literally seen people ask ChatGPT for a link to Gmail.

Is it a dark pattern, or design decision that makes users happier?

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#214

This post makes it sound like paid users should be getting a 5.6 Nonthinking as the Instant option. Still looks like 5.5 Instant to me?

Like most companies and releases, OpenAI doesn't flip the switch for everyone at once. I believe Enterprise seats are also generally on a ~2 week delay from consumer.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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post #79

>avoid extra detail when it does not help I wonder if they actually do it to optimize inference. I maintain a corporate AI server and one of the tricks to reduce the load was to modify the system prompt to be as terse as possible so the average response completes faster and requests queue up less often.

Oh absolutely! The LLM equivalent of "death and taxes" is prefill and decode; and that holds true irrespective of proprietary inference optimizations.

Less verbose output = less context & less token gen.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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This is actually a downgrade for free users since currently it uses GPT-5.5 for a few messages before it drops you down to GPT-5.5-mini. Now it always uses a model worse than Mini (Luna is nano-equivalent, "It roughly corresponds to the nano model tier used in earlier GPT-5 families." https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/models/gpt-5.6-luna ). I guess it's a bit better with Thinking though. They should use Terra fo…

You should try Luna, or look at one of the many independent benchmarks. Even in non-thinking, it's not remotely in the same class as -nano (luna is much smarter).

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

#217

Excellent. Yes, please give free users more access and leave paying codex users in the dust. Wise plan, Sam.

Did you not get all the Codex resets (including banked resets), the removal of the 5hr limit, or even the fact that you can use your Codex sub for API purposes and it's allowed under their terms?

I dunno, I've honestly never been happier as a Codex customer. Sure, there's been less bonus usage resets recently, but the amount of productivity and value I've gotten out of my $20/month personal subscription is bonkers.

If you're price insensitive, Fable 5 is definitely still the best, but a lot of people aren't.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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If we could show the current models to someone like Alan Turing, I am sure he would conclude that we have AGI.

You say that they pass the Turing test yet every post on HN complains about the way LLMs write so clearly they haven’t passed it yet because we can still tell it’s a bot.

I think we’re just adapting. LLM felt kind of magical at first, and now we’re all experts in detecting AI slope.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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post #167

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I wonder if it’s a version of Dunning-Kruger effect to call AI models dumb. I haven’t seen a “dumber than me” model since years. Also the smartest people known in the world use them in their fields so I don’t know what is meant by a “too dumb” model.

You need to be smarter (or rather: more knowledgeable in the problem domain) than the model to be able to use it efficiently. Hallucinations are still a problem occasionally but a bigger one is failure of imagination. Even Claude Fable lacks a holistic understanding of many domains it wasn't obviously trained on. The biggest problem with AI (if we assert that LLMs can be the basis of AI) is that these models will mak…

> much of human interactions operates on rules that are not only unspoken but often unacknowledged or even outright denied.

This sounds interesting on it's own. I would be curious to hear more if you are willing to share.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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post #73

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And after half an hour using it he'd just admit that his test was way too simple as these models are still way too dumb

How are the models too dumb? How are they dumber than the average person? I wonder if anyone gave Claude an IQ test (the one for humans).

Would you also consider a database of questions and answers smart? LLM are basically lossy text compression databases with a clever query method. Useful for sure but it’s not thinking, it’s recall.

Just look at some training sets to see how the sausage is made: https://huggingface.co/datasets/nickrosh/Evol-Instruct-Code-...

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