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This is a sensible move. Plus you can just keep your "authentication" phone at home instead of having it on you when you're out for no good reason.
Not if you want to use tap-to-pay systems.
The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
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Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#212So, if you cannot cryptographically prove to a remote server that your device is running essentially unmodified, vendor-signed software, you are locked out of the economy? The irrefutable part here is that the security model works. Locking down the bootloader and enforcing TEE signatures does stop malware. But it also kills user agency. We are moving to a model where the user is considered the adversary on their own…
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#213So, if you cannot cryptographically prove to a remote server that your device is running essentially unmodified, vendor-signed software, you are locked out of the economy? The irrefutable part here is that the security model works. Locking down the bootloader and enforcing TEE signatures does stop malware. But it also kills user agency. We are moving to a model where the user is considered the adversary on their own…
Doesn't stop state approved malware in all its forms.
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I mentioned in another post: By 2026, you'll need two phones. My current setup: 1) An unmodified iPhone SE (2022 model) with OS support until 2032. This runs all my authentication, banking, health, etc. It is in airplane mode 99% of the time unless I need it. 2) The second is a Pixel 9a with Graphene OS for daily use, routing and internet access. This is expensive, but I found it to be the only viable solution to…
Funny - in some ways I have the opposite. In my version: The iPhone SE would be the one I use for calls, SMS, etc. It has the SIM card. The Pixel 9a would be used for everything I don't need a data plan/SIM card (browsing etc). My needs are a bit different from yours. I like to separate telephony and communication (i.e. WhatsApp, SMS) from everything else. This way, if I want quiet, I just turn that phone to airplane…
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#215So, if you cannot cryptographically prove to a remote server that your device is running essentially unmodified, vendor-signed software, you are locked out of the economy? The irrefutable part here is that the security model works. Locking down the bootloader and enforcing TEE signatures does stop malware. But it also kills user agency. We are moving to a model where the user is considered the adversary on their own…
> We are moving to a model where the user is considered the adversary on their own hardware. That has been the model since day one, since you are using spectrum that, because the end users are not licensed, requires it. Radios in 100% of commercially available phones are locked to prevent user tampering. You don't get root on your debit card either, despite it running a computer.
Why, then, can users be root on PCs that have wifi cards, SDRs or cellular radios?
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
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The first time I walked past a homeless person on a smart phone it took a minute to process - phones are effectively free at this point. (The first time I walked past a homeless person using a VR headset, on the other hand, was a fucking trip.)
That sounds like a Silicon Valley bit.
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#217Not deep into rooting scene but seems plausible to me that this has some merit if you squint at it from the right angle
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I mentioned in another post: By 2026, you'll need two phones. My current setup: 1) An unmodified iPhone SE (2022 model) with OS support until 2032. This runs all my authentication, banking, health, etc. It is in airplane mode 99% of the time unless I need it. 2) The second is a Pixel 9a with Graphene OS for daily use, routing and internet access. This is expensive, but I found it to be the only viable solution to…
With all due respect - I totally understand you may need a rooted phone, I’m just curious what you use it for? I’ve never had a modified or rooted phone so I don’t know of any of the reasons you might need one.
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I mentioned in another post: By 2026, you'll need two phones. My current setup: 1) An unmodified iPhone SE (2022 model) with OS support until 2032. This runs all my authentication, banking, health, etc. It is in airplane mode 99% of the time unless I need it. 2) The second is a Pixel 9a with Graphene OS for daily use, routing and internet access. This is expensive, but I found it to be the only viable solution to…
With all due respect - I totally understand you may need a rooted phone, I’m just curious what you use it for? I’ve never had a modified or rooted phone so I don’t know of any of the reasons you might need one.
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#220Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.
There's a trend of online banks forcing the use of an app. I can't login to one of my banks' website since last year without using a QR code from their app. Of course they slathered the app with tracking, 'security', and analytics SDKs, so rooted devices are rejected. I had no way to log into this bank account after they made that change, which is simply wonderful. Anyways, they're not yet at the point where they've…