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The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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post #187

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This is a sensible move. Plus you can just keep your "authentication" phone at home instead of having it on you when you're out for no good reason.

Not if you want to use tap-to-pay systems.

Tap a bankcard? You can even tape it to the back of your phone

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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So, if you cannot cryptographically prove to a remote server that your device is running essentially unmodified, vendor-signed software, you are locked out of the economy? The irrefutable part here is that the security model works. Locking down the bootloader and enforcing TEE signatures does stop malware. But it also kills user agency. We are moving to a model where the user is considered the adversary on their own…

These banks don’t have websites?

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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So, if you cannot cryptographically prove to a remote server that your device is running essentially unmodified, vendor-signed software, you are locked out of the economy? The irrefutable part here is that the security model works. Locking down the bootloader and enforcing TEE signatures does stop malware. But it also kills user agency. We are moving to a model where the user is considered the adversary on their own…

>does stop malware

Doesn't stop state approved malware in all its forms.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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As I mentioned in another post: By 2026, you'll need two phones. My current setup: 1) An unmodified iPhone SE (2022 model) with OS support until 2032. This runs all my authentication, banking, health, etc. It is in airplane mode 99% of the time unless I need it. 2) The second is a Pixel 9a with Graphene OS for daily use, routing and internet access. This is expensive, but I found it to be the only viable solution to…

Funny - in some ways I have the opposite. In my version: The iPhone SE would be the one I use for calls, SMS, etc. It has the SIM card. The Pixel 9a would be used for everything I don't need a data plan/SIM card (browsing etc). My needs are a bit different from yours. I like to separate telephony and communication (i.e. WhatsApp, SMS) from everything else. This way, if I want quiet, I just turn that phone to airplane…

Or you could just turn on Do Not Disturb…

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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So, if you cannot cryptographically prove to a remote server that your device is running essentially unmodified, vendor-signed software, you are locked out of the economy? The irrefutable part here is that the security model works. Locking down the bootloader and enforcing TEE signatures does stop malware. But it also kills user agency. We are moving to a model where the user is considered the adversary on their own…

> We are moving to a model where the user is considered the adversary on their own hardware. That has been the model since day one, since you are using spectrum that, because the end users are not licensed, requires it. Radios in 100% of commercially available phones are locked to prevent user tampering. You don't get root on your debit card either, despite it running a computer.

> That has been the model since day one, since you are using spectrum that, because the end users are not licensed, requires it. Radios in 100% of commercially available phones are locked to prevent user tampering.

Why, then, can users be root on PCs that have wifi cards, SDRs or cellular radios?

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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post #59

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The first time I walked past a homeless person on a smart phone it took a minute to process - phones are effectively free at this point. (The first time I walked past a homeless person using a VR headset, on the other hand, was a fucking trip.)

That sounds like a Silicon Valley bit.

That show didn’t hit Black Mirror levels of existentially uncomfortable, but man, I recognized too many of those scenes.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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I get the general skepticism and how this gives anti freedom vibes, but wouldn't this also prevent some actual rootkit like sideloaded apps stealing credentials?

Not deep into rooting scene but seems plausible to me that this has some merit if you squint at it from the right angle

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I mentioned in another post: By 2026, you'll need two phones. My current setup: 1) An unmodified iPhone SE (2022 model) with OS support until 2032. This runs all my authentication, banking, health, etc. It is in airplane mode 99% of the time unless I need it. 2) The second is a Pixel 9a with Graphene OS for daily use, routing and internet access. This is expensive, but I found it to be the only viable solution to…

With all due respect - I totally understand you may need a rooted phone, I’m just curious what you use it for? I’ve never had a modified or rooted phone so I don’t know of any of the reasons you might need one.

Some people are really into security, some people are really into trains.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I mentioned in another post: By 2026, you'll need two phones. My current setup: 1) An unmodified iPhone SE (2022 model) with OS support until 2032. This runs all my authentication, banking, health, etc. It is in airplane mode 99% of the time unless I need it. 2) The second is a Pixel 9a with Graphene OS for daily use, routing and internet access. This is expensive, but I found it to be the only viable solution to…

With all due respect - I totally understand you may need a rooted phone, I’m just curious what you use it for? I’ve never had a modified or rooted phone so I don’t know of any of the reasons you might need one.

You start to use it because you care about privacy and your data. But now it's just to avoid all the crap Google and OEMs put into the phone. Same story is with PC and Windows. To quote one smart guy: "I'm not in the mood to be treated as a chimp." And that's it.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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post #35

Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.

There's a trend of online banks forcing the use of an app. I can't login to one of my banks' website since last year without using a QR code from their app. Of course they slathered the app with tracking, 'security', and analytics SDKs, so rooted devices are rejected. I had no way to log into this bank account after they made that change, which is simply wonderful. Anyways, they're not yet at the point where they've…

Normiefication. Normies do everything on their phones; it’s the companies meeting the masses where they are. I’ve seen people fight for their lives to do a spreadsheet on their phones when there’s a laptop they own gathering dust less than 50 feet away.
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