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French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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> Law doesn't seek to punish Then who is tasked with delivering justice to the victims?

What you are referring to is vengeance, not justice. Some people see the two as inseparable and others do not.

Sure, then who is reponsible for vengeance if not law? And why vengeance is not part of justice, this is not clear here.

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Take responsibility is just a euphemism, though. For some people that is someone going behind bars. What do you actually mean?

Apply the same thought process to ‘punishment’. Those who spend a lot of time in prison seem to come out worse and reoffend. How is that helpful?

I don't know, if somebody kills my child, I don't know why you'd expect me to be helpful to him.

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post #73

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Please, can you explains the difference between "convicted" and "condemned"? Convicted is about the fact of been a criminal and condemned about the fact that you have a condamnation/conviction/sentence?

Apparently, in English, convicted means that someone has been officially declared guilty of some crime. After being convicted comes being sentenced , which is when the punishment is set. On the other hand, condemned is specifically about being sentenced to death -or sometimes life in prison or some similarly hard punishment-. Which is also why a building is said to be condemned when it is set to be demolished.

Interestingly in french we use "condamné" for sentenced, and for any kind of sentence (even a fine).

We don't ever use "sentence" in a legal context (it still exists but is old fashioned), things diverged quite a bit it seems between those languages.

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Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…

> Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him.

How much of this is driven by contrarian and counter-cyclical reporting?

I’m not familiar with French media, but I see the same pattern in every country where I’ve kept up with the news: Media starts being favorable to a topic when it’s up and coming, switching to being highly critical when that topic becomes mainstream, then reverts again to exploring the positives when the topic falls out of favor.

You see it even with people like Elizabeth Holmes. News stories about her fraud were everywhere until she had to go to jail, but now the news has swung to humanizing her, claiming her sentencing was excessive, focusing on the angle of a mother separated from her children, and confusingly ignoring her fraud at all.

It’s all designed to be counter-narrative and rise waves of controversy. The more controversial, the more shares and views.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…

That's not the issue. The issue is that there are hundreds , if not thousands, of french politicians who should be in jail. I don't disagree with him going to jail: but it's one heck of a corrupt country where they all have their hands in the cookie jar. Most french politicians who served at the EU, for example, have friends and family as "employees" on their payroll (well, on the EU citizens' payroll). Same at non-E…

You have to start from somewhere

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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post #58

> Sarkozy said he would take two books with him into prison, a life of Jesus by Jean-Christian Petitfils and the Count of Monte Cristo The Count of Monte Cristo is a good choice.

It has nothing to do with literature. It’s just a not so subtle way to claim he’s innocent and that he’ll get his revenge.

The book has a pretty good description of how to escape prison…

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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post #77

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It has nothing to do with literature. It’s just a not so subtle way to claim he’s innocent and that he’ll get his revenge.

Amusingly, it's also inspired by the life of the writer's mixed race black father, who in the 1700s became the highest ranking black general in the west not to be surpassed until the American generals in the 1990s and supposedly attracted the jealousy of Napolean (See "The Black Count"). So there's something there for everyone I guess.

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