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French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by _ache_ »

catwell wrote: post #40
looobay wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He received money from Libya for his presidential campaign [0], he's just a criminal ex-president... [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_financing_in_the_2007_F...

It's way more complicated than this. First, this is mostly about things that happened before his election. The tribunal ruled he did not personally benefit, and he did not directly solicit money to finance his campaign either. However, some of his closest allies (who would become his ministers later) did the latter. The tribunal could not find any direct proof he was involved but ruled there were enough "converging i…

To be fair, the probability that the short explanation "He received money from Libya for his presidential campaign" is actually the truth is very high.

There is no formal proofs, but as you say, (the judges deliberated that) there is enough "converging indications" to support the idea that the short explanation is true.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by oulipo2 »

We, French, are very proud of having put an ex-President in jail, for his crimes of having tried to whitewash a dictator responsible for the death of more French people than the Bataclan terror attacks in exchange for money.

This person humiliated our country, and we're glad our justice put him behind bars

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by oulipo2 »

looobay wrote: post #26
qq66 wrote: post #23

So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?

He received money from Libya for his presidential campaign [0], he's just a criminal ex-president... [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_financing_in_the_2007_F...

Not only this, but he plotted to whitewash the terrorist responsible for a terror attack on a plane which killed more French people than the terror attacks of the Bataclan... this guy is despicable and merits to be behind bars

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by timeon »

adev_ wrote: post #7
rapsey wrote: post #2

So he used money from Libya to get elected and then later he bombed them?

In short, yes. Additionally budget for political campaigns are strictly regulated in France. And getting bribes from foreign dictator is, of course, not allowed. The reason he did not get condemned also for that is that the judge could not proove the usage of the money.

> And getting bribes from foreign dictator is, of course, not allowed.

Couldn't he setup some crypto fund instead? Or investment in ballroom? Or simply just receive present, let say plane, instead of money? Would that help him in this case?

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by motorest »

dmurray wrote: post #38
qq66 wrote: post #23

So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?

A bit of both. He definitely did criminal things, but they look worse because Gaddafi was such a politically unpopular ("terrorist") leader in the west. If he'd got the same funding from the Obama regime, surely he would never have gone to prison.

> If he'd got the same funding from the Obama regime, surely he would never have gone to prison.

Speaking as someone who isn't french,

If Sarkozy received the same funding from Obama it would have beem extremely shady.

From Gaddafi it sounds outright treacherous.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by ivann »

lucasRW wrote: post #42
qq66 wrote: post #23

So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?

A bit of both, there's no doubt he's more than guilty. But it is also clear that judges (who are notable left-leaning, if not far-left) are much more efficient at prosecuting right-wing figures (Fillon, for 0 reason this time).

The "Red judge myth"is, well, a myth. And Fillon's case was very clear and he had all the reason to be prosecuted.

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Post by _ache_ »

boltzmann-brain wrote: post #12

oh I wish the American people were this brave

France population isn't very better, I can assure you, it's not about been brave.

We just still have a working judiciary system. But for how long? It barely correctly financed and his independence his attacked every days in the oligarchy controlled medias.

I hope you fix your judiciary system one day.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by crimsoneer »

dmurray wrote: post #38
qq66 wrote: post #23

So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?

A bit of both. He definitely did criminal things, but they look worse because Gaddafi was such a politically unpopular ("terrorist") leader in the west. If he'd got the same funding from the Obama regime, surely he would never have gone to prison.

I mean, I don't think we need to put air quotes around "terrorist" for Gaddafi. This was a ruler who was happy to bring down Western passenger jets and put bombs in night clubs.
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