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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by tgv »

tsurba wrote: post #108
collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

Good art is not going out of fashion. Tools may change but part of an artists job is to adapt. For example, when you learn instruments you also train your ear and taste. These are things one cannot take shortcuts in. I wouldn’t worry about it, but approach new tools (once they actually arrive and are not just advertisements like this one) with curiosity.

Good art requires a huge reservoir of artists. When AI music drives musicians out of work, it shrinks the reservoir, thus leading to lesser art.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

closewith wrote: post #161
raverbashing wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here's the thing: the invention of recorded media also had a big impact on musicians Talks of "nobody will need musicians anymore" were overblown, while having a modicum of truth

Well, the number of working musicians absolutely cratered, so it wasn’t really overblown, even though a few artists became extremely wealthy.

Musicians are actually a lot poorer than they should be, the label system is a complete scam and syphons off almost all the value created before the artist sees any for close to no benefit.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by cousin_it »

antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

> Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left

Until someone makes an AI guitar pedal that corrects sloppy playing.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by fredoliveira »

dist-epoch wrote: post #88
thrdbndndn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how this contradicts what they said. AI would likely lower the number of paid opportunities. Additionally, art requires practice. Sure, some "lower-tier" artists may produce work that AI could replace without anyone noticing. But by removing that step, we risk having fewer truly great artists emerging.

I will also be honest, if you expect to live off your art, you are doing it wrong.

Absolutely ridiculous to assume that only some careers allow the makers to live off them.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by tgv »

dlivingston wrote: post #39
canogat wrote: post #30

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Nobody is out seeking to destroy the lives of artists. Companies and people are just pushing the frontier of AI anyway they can, and it just turns out that images and audio are two directions the frontier can be expanded.

> Companies and people are just pushing the frontier of AI ...

in the way that seems most profitable to them.

They may not be 'seeking to destroy the lives of artists', but that's a false dichotomy. The outcome may very well be that they will. They know, and they don't care.

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Post by ben_w »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #162
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

The musicians of the 19th century were free to produce anything they liked. They were free to write a "Missa Solemnis" where the very silence is breathtaking, where one does not merely hear that God has died, but where one feels His rebirth. And what have they done? Have they produced in their liberty anything grander or more beautiful than the scrawling of the deaf composer? Have they summoned sounds more jubilant t…

To quote the wikipedia article:

> When Danse macabre was first performed on 24 January 1875, it was not well received and caused widespread feelings of anxiety. The 21st century scholar, Roger Nichols, mentions adverse reaction to "the deformed Dies irae plainsong", the "horrible screeching from solo violin", the use of a xylophone, and "the hypnotic repetitions", in which Nichols hears a pre-echo of Ravel's Boléro.

And Bowie's been covered in space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

It's impossible to forecast what future generations will and won't like.

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Post by voidspark »

Juliate wrote: post #209
voidspark wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about current primitive technology with these power hungry LLMs. The human brain runs on only 0.3 kWh per day. There is much room for optimization for artificial intelligence. They don't need many super intelligent systems to replace the relatively small number of software developers. Just build a few nuclear power stations. Cheaper than millions of developer salaries.

Totally agree, IF an AGI can fully replace/improve on the work of developers, it's definitely cheaper. But: 1/ cheaper isn't always affordable either. 2/ who will engineer/maintain/steer AGI once AGI takes the job? once you make that leap, there's no way back, no one to understand the machine that makes the stuff we rely on. And that circles back, in some way, with the debate about AI-generated art: there's no human…

> who will engineer/maintain/steer AGI once AGI takes the job?

Yeah that's the question. A reduced number of human developers may be privileged to work in these companies.

It's hard to imagine a world with cheap artificial super intelligence. It's like we are introducing a new artificial life form into society, whether it's actually conscious or not.

> debate about AI-generated art

I hope there will always be a majority of people who reject AI generated music.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #31
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

These are actually just the problems easier for researchers to solve, mostly due to a lot of readily available data.

This isn’t the reason at all and comes across a weak attempt to make researchers stealing the work to train come across as blameless and helpless to circumstance.

They’re doing it because there is a lot of value to extract in making it so anyone can do these things regardless of talent or skill.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by concats »

Trying to look at the bigger picture for a moment. A lot of the philosophical debate about art I see here, and elsewhere on social media, is often very shallow and can be reduced to:

Does one believe that the value of the art-piece (be is music, paintings, film, or whatever) is created in the mind of the artist, or is it created in the mind of the consumer?

If you believe only in the former, AI art is an oxymoron and pointless. If you believe only the later, you're likely to rejoice at all the explosion of new content and culture we can expect in the coming years.

As far as I can tell though, most regular people think that the truth is somewhere in between these two extremes, where both both the creator and the consumer's thoughts are important in unison. That culture is about where the two meet each other, and help each other grow. But most of the arguments I've seen online seem to ignore or miss this dichotomy of views entirely, which unfortunately reduces the quality of the debate considerably.

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

"Art" is not a career, sorry.
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