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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Griffinsauce »

jsphweid wrote: post #60
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

I'm getting a little tired of hearing this quote at this point. What about humoring the opposite? I want AI to automate art so I can spend more time doing dishes and doing laundry. Dishes and laundry are purely analog human experiences. Art, at this point, is essentially digital, and digital is the domain of machines so we can let machines do that now.

> Art, at this point, is essentially digital

Are you serious with this?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by CaptainFever »

navigate8310 wrote: post #49
ipnon wrote: post #6

It seems to struggle to create music with a strong identity. It is great if you want to make a poor imitation of top 40 hits. But the thing about top 40 type music is that the best music is already in the Top 40. It remains to be seen if there is as strong a demand for a music chart filled with slop as there is demand for a music chart filled with pop tunes by celebrities. I don't think audio files are the right outp…

Some of the artists of the top 40 use some form of auto-tune to generate pleasing music. Can that be considered a slop-y?

Well, auto-tune used to be (or still is) considered quite controversial.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by voidspark »

dgfl wrote: post #97
voidspark wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it can do everything, then you will be redundant.

I keep coming back to this thought. Maybe it’s how I was raised, but knowing that I’m doing something useful to other people / humanity is the entire point. When a machine can do everything better than we can, then what do we derive meaning from? I usually get out of the existential dread by thinking that we’re still some time away from the issue, and that there will still be some pursuits left, like space colonizati…

We can join the Amish and reject all technology based on AI.

There may be a war against Big Tech. Terrorist attacks on data centers and robot factories.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Griffinsauce »

lionkor wrote: post #64
bufferoverflow wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter what you want. AI is going to do everything that humans do, and probably better, faster and cheaper.

But that's a senseless endeavour. We create art not for money, but for fun and expression.

Even "better" is a wild statement about art in general. A gigantic part of art is the expression itself.. exactly what this takes away.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by creata »

collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

I don't think it's going to drown people out. I think it's going to make recommender systems much less useful, so the people who care will simply return to the older methods of curation, and the people who don't care will get the slop they want.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by CaptainFever »

MantisShrimp90 wrote: post #79
chii wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing stops you from doing art and writing, just like nothing is stopping someone today from riding a horse, running a marathon or rowing a boat.

Unless you are someone that has chores to do like say... Most people? Yes we could technically leave our dirty dishes on the sink while we do art but that decision bites you next time you want to cook lol. Obviously we mean we want to use that time of doing dish towards art instead, like how automation has always worked?

You could buy a dishwasher.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by tsurba »

collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

Good art is not going out of fashion. Tools may change but part of an artists job is to adapt.

For example, when you learn instruments you also train your ear and taste. These are things one cannot take shortcuts in.

I wouldn’t worry about it, but approach new tools (once they actually arrive and are not just advertisements like this one) with curiosity.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by tmountain »

Juliate wrote: post #86
jsphweid wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm getting a little tired of hearing this quote at this point. What about humoring the opposite? I want AI to automate art so I can spend more time doing dishes and doing laundry. Dishes and laundry are purely analog human experiences. Art, at this point, is essentially digital, and digital is the domain of machines so we can let machines do that now.

> Art, at this point, is essentially digital, Essentially? No. Does digital art reduce analog art in the world? Not even. There’s still more and more, courses, workshops, live performances and physical artefacts. > and digital is the domain of machines so we can let machines do that now. Art by machines for machines to understand machines (to the extent they would have a notion of self and of other), fine, do your th…

I go to art museums regularly and look at framed canvas hanging on the walls. It’s an entirely analog experience minus the occasional digital exhibition. I use this experience as an escape from the digital world and hope it stays this way.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by antononcube »

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie:

“Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.”

While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, his idea of "music like water or electricity" might finally come true.

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