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Post by SauciestGNU »

Spooky23 wrote: post #126
nimbius wrote: post #35

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If you look back at Germany in the 19th century, nations like Prussia and Austria had this sort of power struggle between the merchant class and the nobility at the advent of steam power. in this case the de-facto US nobility (rank-and-file career politicians) are being usurped by the bourgeouise (billionaires like Musk) at the advent of AI and tech by promising the working class a combination of culture war policy a…

> the question will be, after four years, will they abdicate their power or concentrate it? Why would they? Once they come for the judges and replace them with “real Americans”, there’s no bottom.

The Federalist Society has been a 40/50 year project to install a judiciary loyal to this coup project. This mix of Christian nationalist theocracy and unitary executive has been their aim all along.

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Post by IAmNotACellist »

tlogan wrote: post #137
fn-mote wrote: post #122

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Please be specific about what you think is dishonest. It sounds like you are conflating a planned information removal with some unspecified amount of upgrade time? Those aren’t equivalent to me.

The specifics: The data is not disappearing. The data and the related tools have been temporarily removed to be cleaned and brought into compliance with Trump’s executive order (basically removing “gender” or replacing it with “sex”) That should be the intellectually honest title and that is what is happening. So lets check in 3 weeks. If data and tools are not back then we can say and complain about data disappearin…

It's The Atlantic. They have no interest in being honest about the topic, telling you why the data is unavailable, or saying when it will be back (once they update the language that bookends the studies). The purpose is to make you angry and think they're burning data because they hate science.

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Post by wbl »

somename9 wrote: post #206
hypeatei wrote: post #198

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> Those lists exclude royalty and other individuals who do not want the extra publicity What individual(s)? You just mentioned a family and not an individual. Forbes lists Elon's net worth at $419 billion.

David de Rothschild. The family has lent money to governments and royalty for centuries. You’re not going to find his accurate net worth on Forbes. Also, any king or dictator effectively owns their nation’s entire treasury, including all real estate. Maduro, for example, is wealthier than Musk.

Our king has to moonlight as a airline pilot.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

rexpop wrote: post #153
lazide wrote: post #79

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Voting - already happened. Money - the folks doing this already have a ton of money, and used it in large part to get to this point. Violence - necessary for change, but against who exactly? anyone trying to be violent against the folks running this will be disavowed by 90% of the rest of the population, and galvanize an outsized violent crackdown against anyone and everyone who even somewhat looks like them. It’s go…

Uh, what ever happened to Civil Disobedience? Direct Action? Nonviolent Action? There are at least as many ways to respond to repression as there are avenues of repression: https://commonslibrary.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/

Meeting fascism with nonviolence is a good way to sacrifice your life in a way that's guaranteed to be ineffectual.

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Post by Xunjin »

CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

The "defender of free speech" is censoring data? Who ever thought about it?

A lot of "woke" people warned it but several ignored as being "political speech" now we pay the consequences.

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Post by ocschwar »

duxup wrote: post #42
paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

SCOTUS also decided that the POTUS is above the law. I think that emboldened them a great deal.

Roberts will go down in history as a worse Justice than Taney for this.

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Post by vharuck »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #60
Tyrubias wrote: post #3

It’s terrifying that data US taxpayers paid for, collected and analyzed in the name of public health, can be removed on a whim. While there are a lot of efforts to archive said data, it would still make it unavailable to Americans who are not tech savvy. Unfortunately, that seems to be the idea, I think.

Isn't this data already inaccessible to those who are not tech savvy? My grandma isn’t visiting any of the data download sites provided by the federal government. She doesn’t even know why she would, or even that such data is available. And if I provide it to her, she hasn’t the skills to do anything with it.

A lot of federal money goes to state and local health programs. For example, consider mammograms. A state will be given a budget to spend on mammograms. The state doesn't do those screenings itself, so it solicits bids from several healthcare organizations. Those organizations create proposals with estimates of the number of residents eligible for free screening in their area, the burden of breast cancer among that group, and whether those potential patients fall into underserved or high risk demographics. All of that comes from high quality data published by the federal government. Those groups pull data from these online data sets.

Your grandma might have gotten free mammograms because of that data.

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Post by mindslight »

CalRobert wrote: post #179
marcosdumay wrote: post #170

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Just remember, the most successful protest in recent Europe history has been when about 10% of the Iceland population showed up in front of the administration building with literal pitchforks and torches on their hands. They immediately got what they wanted.

Even the NRA supports gun control when it's the black panthers exercising their rights. https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-...

More recently, don't forget them being completely silent when Breonna Taylor was summarily executed for Kenneth Walker daring to exercise his second amendment right of home defense in the middle of the night. When this movement says "freedom", they mean merely for themselves to do whatever they please - not as a universal societal principle.

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Post by jaybrendansmith »

Dalewyn wrote: post #177
CalRobert wrote: post #169

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I agree with you 100%, but in the interest of effective discourse it might make more sense to steelman the response. For one thing I have a hard time believing that the best government is one which does nothing, considering the extent to which our lives depend on an intricate web of supply chains, information networks, etc. that require coordination at a high level and may not be best handled by businesses seeking lo…

>But perhaps they're advocating a return-to-the-Earth philosophy Indeed. Not quite as far back in time as you sarcastically suggested, but down-to-Earth enough that Congress stops enjoying absolutely abysmal approval ratings and President Reagan's infamous line of "I am from the government and I am here to help." stops resonating so strongly as a prime criticism. If we also have to destroy ostensibly useful instituti…

Government is there to protect the people from corporate and foreign control. It's one of the main jobs it does. When I was a kid you couldn't breathe the air in LA, now you can. When I was a kid you could believe the news, now you cannot. Your philosophy of 'Government vs People' is faulty as it is missing those other influences. We will see soon if a smaller, less effective US government is better for the citizens. I have a strong feeling we're not going to like what we find out.

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Post by Xunjin »

somename9 wrote: post #206
hypeatei wrote: post #198

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> Those lists exclude royalty and other individuals who do not want the extra publicity What individual(s)? You just mentioned a family and not an individual. Forbes lists Elon's net worth at $419 billion.

David de Rothschild. The family has lent money to governments and royalty for centuries. You’re not going to find his accurate net worth on Forbes. Also, any king or dictator effectively owns their nation’s entire treasury, including all real estate. Maduro, for example, is wealthier than Musk.

I agree with your point but in this parent discussion doesn't make sense just throw "they are way richer than Z person"

Tho in the Maduro sense, which is a dictator that just make sense while he is in power, it's not actually own by him.

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