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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by dylan604 »

diggan wrote: post #20
CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

> Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management Suddenly I feel out of the loop when it comes to US politics, how come Musk is suddenly seemingly seizing control of parts of the US government? I don't recall him being on any ballots or anything?

Not every person in the government is elected. Some positions are appointed. Not one judge from SCOTUS is elected. None of the members of the president's cabinet are elected. They are all Senate confirmed though, which is what's going on now with the current clown show. Somehow, Musk has created a role for himself where he even gets to bypass the Senate confirmation stage. That's the most disconcerting thing to me. Not that I think he wouldn't get confirmed, but the fact that he has this much power totally unchecked.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by plagiarist »

ceejayoz wrote: post #109
pupppet wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this half of the country that gets their news from exactly one news source will either never hear about these events or see them repackaged as wins.

“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.“

The modern paraphrasing could use price of eggs but otherwise have the same structure.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by [deleted] »

bmitc wrote: post #73
CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

How is this not all illegal? How are cease and resists not being put into place? An illegal immigrant, narcissist, billionaire, and many other things is taking over federal agencies and actively purging them for his own ideologies.

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by dylan604 »

RIMR wrote: post #113
nehal3m wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re being downvoted but looking from the outside in, Gitmo being scaled up to house 30k people that the administration expects never to be able to repatriate, an unelected billionaire running around destroying institutions and a president actively starting trade wars and threatening occupation with allies looks an awful lot like it.

People aren't downvoting because they disagree about what's happening. They are downvoting because they agree with fascism, but don't like it when people say the truth out loud. It's a fundamental reality of fascism that those who support it will also deflect all valid criticism of their movement. A majority of U.S. voters chose this. After all that was already known about this admin, they aren't backing down, he's d…

He also has the assurance from SCOTUS that he can do no wrong as POTUS. That's a very disconcerting thought about the supposed checks and balances. Now that his party controls both houses, he'll never be impeached for anything he does either. And that was the one limit that Trump was stipulating existed--the only way POTUS could get in trouble was to be convicted in the Senate after the House impeaches. So he essentially is untouchable.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by lazide »

bmitc wrote: post #82
lazide wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voting - already happened. Money - the folks doing this already have a ton of money, and used it in large part to get to this point. Violence - necessary for change, but against who exactly? anyone trying to be violent against the folks running this will be disavowed by 90% of the rest of the population, and galvanize an outsized violent crackdown against anyone and everyone who even somewhat looks like them. It’s go…

That's kind of my point. We're heading directly into Nazi, USSR, and CCP territory and gotta ride this out until another election (if we even have one), someone with money cares (they don't), or we're all ready for violence (it's all the idiots who have guns).

The issue here is all the ‘opposition’ will do anything but actually fight - or allow anyone else to fight - or allow anyone else to violate the law.

So anyone actually trying to fight back will be destroyed by their own side. Where the folks doing this, won’t be.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by shigawire »

liontwist wrote: post #95
nehal3m wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not you’ve been duly elected has nothing to do with whether or not you behave like a fascist afterwards. Most fascists were elected.

Indeed 20th century fascist revolutions used the guise of law for their takeover. Following them would include banning the existence of other parties, changing the constitution to give all power to executive, cancelling elections, etc. I assumed the poster was using facist to mean “bad authoritarian government” - not that trump is actually a disciple of Mussolini style philosophy. Right now the democratic system is w…

>Following them would include banning the existence of other parties, changing the constitution to give all power to executive, cancelling elections, etc.

Let's check back on these in a few years (months?).

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by tlogan »

fn-mote wrote: post #122
tlogan wrote: post #104

Nobody complained about downtimes (at least for Atlas Plus) when they started changing “sex” to “sex or gender” / “gender.” Let’s be honest. I can’t find a single article about this because it was considered normal—they were simply upgrading their system. The level of dishonesty here is astounding. Let’s wait three weeks. If Atlas Plus is still down, I’ll post an update here.

Please be specific about what you think is dishonest. It sounds like you are conflating a planned information removal with some unspecified amount of upgrade time? Those aren’t equivalent to me.

The specifics:

The data is not disappearing. The data and the related tools have been temporarily removed to be cleaned and brought into compliance with Trump’s executive order (basically removing “gender” or replacing it with “sex”)

That should be the intellectually honest title and that is what is happening.

So lets check in 3 weeks. If data and tools are not back then we can say and complain about data disappearing.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by tremon »

liontwist wrote: post #95
nehal3m wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not you’ve been duly elected has nothing to do with whether or not you behave like a fascist afterwards. Most fascists were elected.

Indeed 20th century fascist revolutions used the guise of law for their takeover. Following them would include banning the existence of other parties, changing the constitution to give all power to executive, cancelling elections, etc. I assumed the poster was using facist to mean “bad authoritarian government” - not that trump is actually a disciple of Mussolini style philosophy. Right now the democratic system is w…

Following them would include

Basically, your argument boils down to "you're wrong, the current sitation is not fascist enough yet"?

banning the existence of other parties

They don't need to. Similar to Russia, they will allow the appearance of other parties and elections, but the outcomes will be pre-determined.

changing the constitution to give all power to executive

SCOTUS has already done that: everything the president does is legal by default.

cancelling elections

Again, they won't need to. They proved in November that they already have done the right amount of voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering to secure a win.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by dylan604 »

addicted wrote: post #102
liontwist wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Which cabinet position was Musk appointed to? (In fact, in the U.S. the president doesn’t appoint cabinet members, but sure, you don’t understand the basics of how the govt works but you know what fascism is better than experts who’ve studied and written about it for decades). Is Musk the head of the OPM? Also, policy cannot break the law and certainly cannot break the constitution. That is fascism. The executive doe…

> In fact, in the U.S. the president doesn’t appoint cabinet members

What? That's exactly what happens. The president (or his puppet masters) chooses the person, and then they go through a Senate confirmation process. I don't see how this isn't being appointed

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by CalRobert »

diggan wrote: post #120
CalRobert wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protest doesn't do anything. I marched plenty and it accomplished nothing except letting like-minded people blow off a bit of steam and feel like something we did mattered. If anything it was just a distraction.

> Protest doesn't do anything. Most rights that workers have today have been earned through protesting (and sometimes the bloody consequence of protesting while the state is resisting wanted changes). Protests only "doesn't do anything" when you don't do it enough or give up. Maybe I'm too European to understand, but the "pacifist" approach of the US working class seems to not be working out great.

Protest works when it’s backed by a threat. “Do what we want or we will remove you from power”. What we have now is “do what we want or we’ll be sad”.

The pitchforks aren’t just for show!!

And I’ve lived in Europe for over a decade now and frankly much of Europe is painfully naive about how much people in power care about protestors waving clever signs.

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