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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by canecty32 »

hypeatei wrote: post #21
CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

I would just like to point out that Musk is the richest man in the world and is now directing critical areas of the U.S. government. Surely he doesn't have ulterior motives and is looking out for the average person?

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by CalRobert »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #158
CalRobert wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to strike when your boss can make you and your kid homeless. Housing precarity is a useful tool of control.

Wow. My grandfather is turning over in his grave. He suffered not only starvation and homelessness while striking against the coral companies of Pennsylvania, he was also beaten. If they have instilled this much cowardliness in you they have won. Imagine you’re kid looking at what you wrote twenty years from now and think of how he/she would think of you. Courageous or coward?

I don't know. I am a coward I guess, I emigrated. I think my kids will be glad they didn't grow up in the US.

Good for your grandfather though.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by CalRobert »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #159
CalRobert wrote: post #151

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OK, people walk in the streets and wave signs, then go home. What happens next?

A general strike. Boycotts, etc. Protests get the word out and create comrades.

This is true - the ability to meet new people and coordinate is a big plus.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #158
CalRobert wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to strike when your boss can make you and your kid homeless. Housing precarity is a useful tool of control.

Wow. My grandfather is turning over in his grave. He suffered not only starvation and homelessness while striking against the coral companies of Pennsylvania, he was also beaten. If they have instilled this much cowardliness in you they have won. Imagine you’re kid looking at what you wrote twenty years from now and think of how he/she would think of you. Courageous or coward?

For reference

https://coalpail.com/coal-forum/viewtopic.php?t=1422

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by marcosdumay »

CalRobert wrote: post #167
diggan wrote: post #148

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> And I’ve lived in Europe for over a decade now and frankly much of Europe is painfully naive about how much people in power care about protestors waving clever signs. I guess the same goes the other way, Americans seems painfully unaware how effective the public's will can be, when you act together. But I think that's to be expected, the US is still relatively new and young, compared to other countries, so lessons…

Your condescending and dismissive tone notwithstanding, I am curious to hear more about peaceful protests working when they weren't backed with an implicit threat of removing politicians from power. Ideally, of course, you have a functioning democracy, but I don't really think that describes much of the US at this point (the people who'd protest are mostly in blue states anyway where their votes, even if correctly ta…

> when they weren't backed with an implicit threat of removing politicians from power

Normally, in a democracy, when you get a lot of people together complaining about something, it is already an implicit threat of removing politicians from power.

But if you manipulate the electoral system enough, it stops being. The fact that this mostly doesn't work nowadays is loudly telling people all they need to know.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

CalRobert wrote: post #172
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. My grandfather is turning over in his grave. He suffered not only starvation and homelessness while striking against the coral companies of Pennsylvania, he was also beaten. If they have instilled this much cowardliness in you they have won. Imagine you’re kid looking at what you wrote twenty years from now and think of how he/she would think of you. Courageous or coward?

I don't know. I am a coward I guess, I emigrated. I think my kids will be glad they didn't grow up in the US. Good for your grandfather though.

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Dalewyn »

CalRobert wrote: post #169
Spooky23 wrote: post #150

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The good news is that as a Trump voter who is a MAGA believer, you’ve established that you’re ignorant and open to emotional manipulation. You’re the political equivalent of the old lady who talks to the scammers. So when your glorious day comes, and your State asserts their rights and levies your bank account to pay for your parents medical bills as your filial responsibility, (or whatever your personal tragedy ends…

I agree with you 100%, but in the interest of effective discourse it might make more sense to steelman the response. For one thing I have a hard time believing that the best government is one which does nothing, considering the extent to which our lives depend on an intricate web of supply chains, information networks, etc. that require coordination at a high level and may not be best handled by businesses seeking lo…

>But perhaps they're advocating a return-to-the-Earth philosophy

Indeed. Not quite as far back in time as you sarcastically suggested, but down-to-Earth enough that Congress stops enjoying absolutely abysmal approval ratings and President Reagan's infamous line of "I am from the government and I am here to help." stops resonating so strongly as a prime criticism.

If we also have to destroy ostensibly useful institutions like NASA to achieve it, well then so be it. As I mentioned in a sibling comment, the chances for more amicable processes have come and gone.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by diggan »

CalRobert wrote: post #167
diggan wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And I’ve lived in Europe for over a decade now and frankly much of Europe is painfully naive about how much people in power care about protestors waving clever signs. I guess the same goes the other way, Americans seems painfully unaware how effective the public's will can be, when you act together. But I think that's to be expected, the US is still relatively new and young, compared to other countries, so lessons…

Your condescending and dismissive tone notwithstanding, I am curious to hear more about peaceful protests working when they weren't backed with an implicit threat of removing politicians from power. Ideally, of course, you have a functioning democracy, but I don't really think that describes much of the US at this point (the people who'd protest are mostly in blue states anyway where their votes, even if correctly ta…

> Your condescending and dismissive tone notwithstanding

I was trying to adopt to your own tone, not sure why you'd feel that it is condescending or dismissive.

> I am curious to hear more about peaceful protests working

Some starting points: 2024 protests in Serbia leading to the resignation of the Prime Minister. 15-M protests in Spain leading to the formation of new political parties and reforms. Velvet Revolution (I know you already mentioned this) leading to the overthrowing of the communist government. The Singing Revolution leading to the independence of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Euromaidan/Revolution of Dignity leading to the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine. These are just recent examples, I could go on...

Honest question: Have you attempted to lookup examples yourself, and you didn't find a single example?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by CalRobert »

marcosdumay wrote: post #170
CalRobert wrote: post #140

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Protest works when it’s backed by a threat. “Do what we want or we will remove you from power”. What we have now is “do what we want or we’ll be sad”. The pitchforks aren’t just for show!! And I’ve lived in Europe for over a decade now and frankly much of Europe is painfully naive about how much people in power care about protestors waving clever signs.

Just remember, the most successful protest in recent Europe history has been when about 10% of the Iceland population showed up in front of the administration building with literal pitchforks and torches on their hands. They immediately got what they wanted.

Even the NRA supports gun control when it's the black panthers exercising their rights.

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-...

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