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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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> […] against the peaceful protestors. At some point they stopped being protestors and became occupiers. There is no Charter right to occupy—as the pro-Palestinian folks also learned [1] (which was simply re-iterating previous precedent, see perhaps [2]). [1] 2024 ONSC 3755 [2] 2011 ONSC 6862

At what point is that, legally?

Did they attack anybody? Obstruct anyone's access to a building they had a right to access?

Or does someone just need to declare that someone is an occupier?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

Annexation is not a joke?

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Is there an ELI5 that explains all of this from a-z? As an outsider I can't help but think people are being hyperbolic about it.

No, because Canada is not "ruined" or "damaged".

The ONE dreadful thing the Liberals did was to renege on their promise of electoral reform. All Westminster-style Parliaments are done a disservice by using First-past-the-post. Trudeau campaigned on replacing the system with proportional representation, but incumbents in Westminster governments will never change the system that made them win.

Most people turn to the Carbon Tax as an example, but the Carbon Tax is implemented in such a way that the average family receives MORE in quarterly rebates than what they PAY in Carbon taxes; it's only those with very high incomes who come close to losing money from the tax[1].

Then they'll point to the pandemic and tell you that the worst thing we've ever done as a nation is ask people to get vaccinated and wear a mask during a time where a (not actually) unprecedented virus was rampant. And somehow the virus is the incumbent's fault.

After that you'll be told that healthcare is crumbling under Trudeau. Healthcare in Canada is a provincial responsibility, and the vast majority of provinces (eg Alberta) are run by right-wing governments looking to profit from private healthcare, so are employing a starve-the-beast strategy to make private healthcare look attractive.

And then some particularly weird people will tell you he isn't tough enough on trans people.

[1]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/axe-the-tax-and-carbo...

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Crazy how only Canada has used emergency powers to curtail opposition. In fact it did that twice in 50 years. And only twenty people getting their rights completely stripped because they bothered the federal government workers in Ottawa is good enough according to you? Maybe it's just because I'm part of a minority but your entire comment is exactly the issue with Canadian politics. We basically have 0 rights the mom…

The guy likely to take over is going to use non-emergency powers to curtail the rights of trans people. The sanctioned individuals were involved with blocking an international border. They had the stated intention of causing mischief and preventing leaving or entering Canada. They were blockading their own economy; they deserved what they got. You don't disrupt life and economy just because you've been asked to help…

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In the US some psychopath straight up shot and killed a climate activist who was in the way of his car. It’s a miracle something similar didn’t happen there.

In the US? I recall an event in Panama. Quickly googling shows the person was a dual US citizen? Maybe that is what you are thinking of?

OP is probably conflating the environmentalist protestor shot in the US by cops and the numerous racial justice protestors killed by motorists, along with the incident you mentioned. Easy mistake to make.

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Should've done it weeks ago. Utterly shameless.

Well, I mean he has a history of just burying his head in the sand with every controversy and eventually they all went away after a short time. The strategy clearly worked for him until it didn't.

very true. love him or hate him, Trudeau deserves credit for surviving not just sexual assault allegations, but also the infamous blackface/brownface pictures[0], all during the height of #MeToo and leftist focus on identity politics. he wisely identified that the correct response was no response, except for notably stating that the sexual assault accuser simply "experienced their encounter differently"[1]. a lesser politician would have apologized, a tacit admission of guilt, and been forced to resign.

this isn't meant to be snippy or sarcastic, either. he was genuinely excellent at playing the political game and protecting his own career.

[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-2019-trudeau-b...

[1] https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/people-experience-things-differen...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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That link says he's going to stay on as PM? In the video he says he "intends to resign."

One comment does not negate the other. It is traditional in most jobs to give notice before resigning. In government, it typically is the same unless for resignations. Being forcefully removed is closer to being fired/sacked with termination being much more suddenly

And even when they're forcibly removed (e.g. via a vote of no-confidence), they often keep on doing the job until a replacement is found, albeit with limited scope/powers. See France for instance recently.
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