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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah are we forgetting Alberta truckers who were planning to murder RCMP officers, and were straight-up terrorists?

The thing they were found not guilty of? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/anthony-olienick-chri...

I don't know about the details of this prosecution, but having served on juries, it is important to remember than "not guilty" is a finding that the government didn't meet the burden of proof, not necessarily a finding of actual innocence. That article would certainly suggest that they were prepared for violence, even if acquitted on the most serious charge.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Here come the conservatives, again. Canada might not be a two-party system, but you'd never guess looking at the last hundred years.

We did it to ourselves. Modern "small L" liberalism went completely overboard, and we're seeing that play out now in the rise of fascist leaning governments in the west. It will take a generation for the pendulum to swing back.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

#195

I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

Looking at Canadian polls might indicate some things: https://338canada.com/districts.htm Particularly look at the projected Liberal seat count. This gov was propped up by a supply agreement with the NDP in order to maintain parlimentary confidence. The NDP leader becomes eligible for a generous pension scheme if he stays an MP to some point in February. As such the timing for all this is no coincidence, and people h…

The NDP party does not want a Conservative landslide government either, regardless of Mr. Singh’s pension.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

#196
post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

> […] ought to go through the laws and court system.

The Emergencies Act is part of the laws of Canada:

* https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act

And there were court orders:

* https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461

* 2022 ONSC 1001: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2022/2022onsc1001/2022... ; https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/docs/ISSUE...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

#197
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trudeau has been unpopular for years and hideously unpopular for the past couple of months, mostly as a result of the current state of things being bad (and as they've been in power for nearly 10 years, they already cop the blame for that), not hypothetical future bad things. No need to get conspiratorial.

It wouldn't be a conspiracy, just strategic thinking. It wouldn't be the first time in history where one party/group/individual decides to relinquish power anticipating some crisis: - Sulla was a dictator who retired before the collapse of the Roman republic. - The British handed over power to India before the communal violence escalated. - Nixon resigned to avoid the spectacle of impeachment. Someone in power may be…

>You said Trudeau was unpopular for years and yet only now he's leaving.

There's unpopular and then there's unpopular.

His approval rating has dropped off a cliff over the past year. His cabinet ministers have been resigning and/or openly criticizing him / asking for him to step down to save their own political careers.

This article is from last September - 4 months ago.

>> Darrell Bricker, a political scientist and pollster with Ipsos, compared the current moment in Canadian politics to this summer’s historic defeat of the UK Tories, who lost 251 seats in British parliament.

>>“It’s basically over,” said Mr Bricker of Trudeau’s government in an interview with the BBC.

>>“All that is happening is sands sliding out of the sand dial, and we’re working our way towards an inevitable conclusion.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrdrnxp74wo

And then this article is from October:

>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada faced the stiffest challenge to his leadership from fellow elected Liberal Party members on Wednesday during a closed-door meeting where he was urged to resign to avoid torpedoing the party’s chances in the next election.

>>For more than a year, the Liberals under Mr. Trudeau have trailed the Conservative Party by double digits in polls, suggesting that the Liberal Party could face a crushing defeat in the next election, which must be held by next October.

>>Panic within the party intensified after the Liberals recently lost two special parliamentary elections in districts that had been considered their strongholds.

>>The growing dissatisfaction played out on Wednesday, when most of the 153 Liberal members of Parliament gathered in Ottawa for a scheduled caucus meeting.

>>While caucus proceedings are typically secret, Mr. Trudeau, according to Canadian news media citing unnamed sources, was presented with a letter signed by about two dozen caucus members calling on him to step down.

>>The letter has been circulating for several days, but has been a closely held secret.

>>About 20 Liberal members criticized Mr. Trudeau’s leadership after the letter was read aloud during the three-hour-and-17-minute meeting, according to Canadian news outlets.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/world/canada/trudeau-vote...

Why do you insist that having a 23% approval rating and half of your party begging you to resign isn't a good enough reason?

Seriously, if you're not familiar with the internal politics of another country, why would you make up conspiracies about them?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

#200
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

Crazy how only Canada has used emergency powers to curtail opposition. In fact it did that twice in 50 years. And only twenty people getting their rights completely stripped because they bothered the federal government workers in Ottawa is good enough according to you? Maybe it's just because I'm part of a minority but your entire comment is exactly the issue with Canadian politics. We basically have 0 rights the mom…

The guy likely to take over is going to use non-emergency powers to curtail the rights of trans people.

The sanctioned individuals were involved with blocking an international border. They had the stated intention of causing mischief and preventing leaving or entering Canada. They were blockading their own economy; they deserved what they got. You don't disrupt life and economy just because you've been asked to help keep a virus from spreading and get to get away with it.

And now we'll curtail the rights of people who absolutely do NOT deserve it.

The lurch to the right is deeply inspired by attitudes like this. We even have the Premier of Alberta claiming that unvaccinated people are "the most discriminated against group in history", which, whatever "side" of the vaccination "debate" you fall on, you know is an unbelievably stupid thing to say.

Please, help prevent a drastic lurch to the right by at least reading the lede of an article as well as the headline.

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