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Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by sf_rob »

AlexandrB wrote: post #187
hn72774 wrote: post #73

Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

Forget the content of what Musk says, the fact that he's on Twitter so much seems like a bad sign if you're a Tesla shareholder. His attention is already split between 3-4 companies, if he's tweeting all day on top of that how much attention is Tesla and its problems/opportunities getting?

While Musk’s attention was certainly a key asset in Tesla’s early years, I’m not sure that his attention is still a net positive.

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Post by ein0p »

ericmay wrote: post #202
ein0p wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think public mass transit will take over in the US in my lifetime, outside major cities. We're just too spread out, and a lot of us, especially people with kids, like it that way. Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child.

> Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child. Kind of a confusing statement. Sure the current state doesn't work in the US, which is because it isn't designed to work and there is little to no investment or money spent on public transit. You can know that this is factually true by looking at your state department of highways budgets and examining how funds are allocated…

_Transit_ is not what needs to change first. Infrastructure (stores, schools, daycares, hospitals, offices) needs to change before mass transit is even feasible. And that needs to be built out over an extended period of time, like 15-20 years, to have good coverage. This is particularly hard to grasp for someone who has never lived in Europe, which I have. So we “invest” in mass transit which (at least in my neck of the woods) almost nobody uses because it’s 10 minute drive to the grocery store and 15 minute drive to school, and both of those numbers triple or quadruple without a car. And now consider your kids extracurriculars, like swim team or something. And now consider having 2-3 kids. Cars are here to stay. To refrain from improving them would be like not doing anything about energy generation until we have fusion, which probably also won’t happen in my lifetime

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Post by coldpie »

mikestew wrote: post #191
FredPret wrote: post #79

Tesla has the Cybertruck now (is it shipping yet?). People love trucks, so this might work out great for TSLA. But they don't really have an SUV, which is by far the most popular form factor. The Model Y is closest but it's still a bit car-ish. Interest rates are up. Their chairman is going through a very public ...episode. They'll definitely overcome the headwinds: they still have superfans despite the Musk antics;…

Tesla has the Cybertruck now (is it shipping yet?). People love trucks, so this might work out great for TSLA. Here in Redmond, where buying a Tesla seems to be a rite of passage for Microsoft employees, I will often see three Teslas at an intersection (and maybe one behind me). The things are everywhere. If you've got a dead cat, careful you don't hit a Tesla when you swing it around. And I've seen a total of one Cy…

> I've seen a Cybertruck

Oofda. I'm sorry you had to experience that.

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Post by FireBeyond »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #179
testbf wrote: post #2

Well I’m a Tesla employee and I started looking for a new job today. There’s a lot of smart people who see where this is going.

"Lot of smart people who see where this is going"...uh huh. The smart people left years ago and started working at Lucid and elsewhere. All the people who had talent got sick of Musk's shit, saw the company stagnating, and left for functional, non-toxic workplaces. Tesla has spent the last ~5 years resting on its laurels, aside from (eventually) producing a pavement-queen meme vehicle that breaks down on even the sim…

> terrible reliability (matched with even worse parts availability!)

What I love as a "defense" from Tesla fans is when they comment that "they're not the worst for reliability, in fact they're middle to above average"...

... when compared with ICEs which are far more complex. "EVs are far simpler than ICEs, and there's far less that can go wrong with them"... if so, being in the middle of the pack with a bunch of ICEs isn't the flex it seems.

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Post by cduzz »

tristan957 wrote: post #173
foobarian wrote: post #18

Maybe we're getting to saturation in early adopter market? Looking around, there are a lot of folks who could not easily live with a BEV, i.e. live in apartment buildings or don't have an easy way to install L2 charging at home.

I think the apartment issue is really more of a non-issue, assuming there are fast chargers near you. Can apartment dwellers like myself really not go charge for 10-30 minutes every couple of days? A trip to the gas station is typically ~5 minutes. At least that is how I rationalize potential EV ownership.

Nah, it's a big deal to not have charging where you park overnight.

A huge part of EV ownership is the minimal thought put into keep track of how full the car is. You drive, you come home, you plug in, you drive later, etc. No worries at all, no effort.

If you don't have that convenience, you're always going to have a bug nagging you "should I go charge?" and it'll wear at you.

Street parking with chargers on light poles, load balancing so they don't pop the circuit? Win. Chargers saturating common area parking that bills you for power you draw? Making people go charge their car at some central location for 45 minutes once or twice a week? Total fiasco.

I get by fine on a 20a/16a 240v (nema 6-20 plug) in the relatively mild new england winters and can drive my car just like a normal car 98% of the time.

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Post by mikestew »

coldpie wrote: post #213
mikestew wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has the Cybertruck now (is it shipping yet?). People love trucks, so this might work out great for TSLA. Here in Redmond, where buying a Tesla seems to be a rite of passage for Microsoft employees, I will often see three Teslas at an intersection (and maybe one behind me). The things are everywhere. If you've got a dead cat, careful you don't hit a Tesla when you swing it around. And I've seen a total of one Cy…

> I've seen a Cybertruck Oofda. I'm sorry you had to experience that.

Should the same happen to you, I'm seeing a good therapist and can pass along details. Contact info in profile.

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Post by leereeves »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #151
nixgeek wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think either had an EV option suiting my needs when we bought a Model X? Meaning able to seat 6-7 humans and ~300 miles of range in the battery pack? Do they even have a viable option today? (I’m unaware how the Lexus electrification is going.)

Forget Toyota/Lexus, that's a bit of a red herring - the point is that there was literally no competition for Tesla in three-row electric vehicles when you bought yours. Now, you have the choice of a Mercedes-Benz EQB or EQS, a Rivian R1S (as you chose) or a Kia EV9 with Lucid, Hyundai and VW all with products about to enter the market.

Toyota Motor North America sold over 200k "electrified" vehicles in the first quarter 2024. Their sales alone could account for the unsold Teslas.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-motor-north-america-repo...

Those are mostly hybrids, but reportedly, U.S. sales of gas-electric hybrid vehicles surge and electric-vehicle sales cool

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-aut...

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Post by Integrape »

krunck wrote: post #147
ChumpGPT wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I can't wait until Toyota makes an all electric Yaris.

I hope they bring back the Matrix as an EV

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Post by ein0p »

mschuster91 wrote: post #209
ein0p wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think public mass transit will take over in the US in my lifetime, outside major cities. We're just too spread out, and a lot of us, especially people with kids, like it that way. Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child.

> Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child. Here in Munich, one of the densest cities in Europe, I took the subway alone at age 7. There's nothing preventing US kids from doing the same with a bus, no matter if driven by a human or by some sort of autonomous system - except that US infrastructure at large is completely focused on cars and has zero respect for anyone n…

Note that Munich itself is built for this. You can’t drop a bus line into an existing layout and expect that it’ll magically work. Which is what most mass transit projects in the US seem to be attempting to do. IOW it’s not even _transit itself_ that makes this feasible in Europe. It’s how they build the rest of their spaces.

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Post by sf_rob »

ta8645 wrote: post #31

Not sure how it will affect things going forward, but the Model 3 may help. Jay Leno did an excellent segment about it a few weeks back, with a pair of Tesla engineers: https://youtu.be/WLMalLy_3JU

Until Tesla changes their Model 3 sourcing to be eligible for the $7500 tax credit, I don’t understand who would buy one over the Model Y even with the “highland” improvements.
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