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Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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Re: Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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post #164

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>Spotify is extremely biased towards playlist listening and makes browsing and listening to a library of albums really painful. Does anyone else get a dystopian vibe from this statement? I feel like the old guy in the SF movie pulling his hair and exclaiming, "But what have we lost?!" We used to have vinyl, tapes, finally CDs, and even the ability to rip our library to a computer, which we could carry with us. It was…

> "But what have we lost?!" make a comment or thread about spotify/pandora/tidal and sit back and wait to see how long it takes for some “audiophile” to come along and to admonish you and tell you a story about their setup and music appreciation “workflow” and how it is better and somehow more correct. we lost nothing. it is all still here. and, apparently, the added bonus of droves of sweaty people telling you you’r…

You might reasonably call me a Luddite, but an audiophile? Not in the sense you mean. I don't claim I can hear expensive speaker cables (I got mine at Home Depot btw). Great gear from the 90's and 00's is available cheap, and it's great. It has buttons. And I don't have to pay someone to continue accessing my music and I can listen to music in an album centric way.

Nor am I claiming I'm more correct (although I guess I'm pretty proud of having found a somewhat contrarian path to take the trade-offs I think matter most.) You want to listen to spotify on your phone and bt headphones - all of which is subject to decay, decay of money, battery, connectivity - meanwhile I'll listen to my library with wired components that run smoothly and no latency without drops or a monthly bill. You get all-in-one go anywhere convenience, I get old school tactile control. Neither of us is doing it wrong. But yeah, I like mine better which is why I do it that way (and I assume the same is true for you, unless you're a masochist, and if so I say great, keeping doing you.)

Re: Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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Dystopian you say? For $15 a month I can access basically every song ever recorded at the click of a button, wirelessly on an ultrapowerful mobile computing device that fits comfortably in my pocket. Place yourself in about 1997 and savor that statement for a moment. But what have we gained?

And what do people do with this power? Listen on shitty tinny phone speakers or comically bad earbuds. Give me back my glorious 80s stereo.

You'll be hard pressed to buy comically bad earbud nowadays. In terms of fidelity and price, average earbuds beat an average 80s stereo so hard, it's not even funny.

Re: Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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This is a big frustration of mine, too. The other is that Spotify is extremely biased towards playlist listening and makes browsing and listening to a library of albums really painful. The good news is that Spotify's SDK and API are actually powerful enough that you can build up an entire alternative interface, which is actually what I recently started doing: https://i.imgur.com/ar7VrYy.png . It's still work in progr…

The dumbest Spotify UX is that it only lists 10 songs for an artist on the web player: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/Mobile-See-all-S...

Re: Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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>Spotify is extremely biased towards playlist listening and makes browsing and listening to a library of albums really painful. Does anyone else get a dystopian vibe from this statement? I feel like the old guy in the SF movie pulling his hair and exclaiming, "But what have we lost?!" We used to have vinyl, tapes, finally CDs, and even the ability to rip our library to a computer, which we could carry with us. It was…

Turntables are not cheap because of the vinyl revival, so they are trendy, hence expensive. Nobody wants CD players :(

I know! CDs are such a great format, and as long as the ink doesn't corrode the aluminum layer, they can last a very long time. They are more compact than vinyl, they don't suffer from lots of vinyl's error modes but they still have things like liner notes. Plus they represent an album at a theoretical maximum of fidelity and reproducibility. What's not to like?

Re: Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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Dystopian you say? For $15 a month I can access basically every song ever recorded at the click of a button, wirelessly on an ultrapowerful mobile computing device that fits comfortably in my pocket. Place yourself in about 1997 and savor that statement for a moment. But what have we gained?

You're right, baby scifi Josh wanted this, got it, and somehow, violating all expectations, it sucked. It happens.

The difference is who controls the software, and ultimately what their incentives are. Back then, you imagined the software serving you - details you hadn't thought of were to be be fleshed out in a way that made sense to you, to serve your interests.

Now it's like our old dreams in name only. It hits all the bullet points, but the functionality is all wrong because companies want to make users the dataset rather than operators in control. And while one of their incentives is user satisfaction, it's competing with engagement, revenue side channels, price discrimination, etc.

Re: Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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And what do people do with this power? Listen on shitty tinny phone speakers or comically bad earbuds. Give me back my glorious 80s stereo.

You'll be hard pressed to buy comically bad earbud nowadays. In terms of fidelity and price, average earbuds beat an average 80s stereo so hard, it's not even funny.

Um, what? I mean, sure wired $15 earbuds exist that sound amazing, but their existence does NOT preclude the existence of terrible earbuds, especially of the BT variety.

Re: Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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I feel like we've lost essentially nothing. In the streaming era, it's easier than ever before to discover new artists and listen to an unprecedented variety of music with minimal investment. If it's slightly cumbersome to listen to albums on Spotify, it's still much less cumbersome that going to a store to buy a CD or purchasing online and waiting for it to arrive + keeping your collection physically organized and i…

>I feel like we've lost essentially nothing. We've lost: cover art, liner notes, the ability to share or sell your music without 3rd party permission, music stores, and in many cases local music scenes that formed around music stores. Bret Victor has been harping on this for years, but we've also lost a great deal of tactility - putting a CD in a player and pressing buttons to play it uses your hands in pleasant ways…

>We've lost: cover art

Spotify does have cover art for albums, at least for me it does.

> Music discovery is a different mode of listening

For me it really is the same mode. I regularly discover new artists when my handcrafted playlists finish playing and it starts to play music based on the playlist I just listened to

Re: Dear Spotify, can we just get a table of songs?

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I quite like YouTube Music's UI. The suggestions to relisten to songs I've listened to, the autosuggest continue on the same type of music works really well and has helped me discover many new bands i now like. The search manages to show the album art, title, artist and type ( song or album, and it's grouped by song, album, artist). And of course there's the added bonus that it comes with a YouTube Premium subscripti…

...and somehow, quite a while after shuttering google music, youtube music app still has no horizontal mode.
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