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Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by soheil »

hughrr wrote: post #76
krnlpnc wrote: post #70

These days when I'm near a Tesla on the road I use the same caution as if driving near an obviously drunk driver. Give them lots of space and prepare for them to act unpredictably.

My father has a 2019 P100D model S. I’ve driven it a few times. It feels like you’re driving a cross between a budget Android tablet and a somewhat skittish horse with a rocket engine up its ass. What could possibly go wrong? On the last two occasions it has dumped on the brakes in the middle of an empty road for no reason. My usual wheels are a crappy French dumb city car with a peanut for an engine and I feel safer…

I think you should ride a horse, maybe cars just aren't your thing.

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Post by lamontcg »

npace12 wrote: post #40

Just to clarify the current process of being able to use the Tesla FSD beta because I've seen a lot of comments by people thinking Tesla released this and cars are now just driving around without a human driver: 1. pay $12k or $200/mo 2. Opt-in for beta. Drive over 100-200 miles and maintain a 98%+ "safety score" until you're selected (could be months) 3. Manually activate FSD each time you want to use it 4. Keep han…

It is amazing that they crowdsourced their QA department and got people to pay $12k for the privilege of doing the work.

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Post by lamontcg »

tsunamifury wrote: post #23
matsemann wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a bicyclist does something wrong, all cyclists are bad. If a driver does something stupid, that driver is stupid. People complain daily about the bad drivers they face during their commute. But that's quickly forgotten. That one time a cyclist did something wrong, however, is etched into memory. Drivers (not cars) kill an incredible amount of people every year, while cyclists virtually none. Cars pollute, make noi…

Sure there are bad drivers but in SF bad cyclists are a matter of routine. Blowing stop signs, red lights at full speed, weaving through cross traffic and riding on pedestrian sidewalks at speed are not regular occurrences for car drivers. Sure I want a full biking city and what not but the cyclists here are such a bad testimony to everyone else that it starts this strong negativity. Being jerks to the pedestrians an…

A few things that drivers do:

    - Failure to use signals to merge lanes
    - Speeding in excess of 80 mph
    - Tailgating (because otherwise someone would cut in front of you and you'd never get where you're going)
    - Left lane camping
    - Aggressively punishment passing left lane campers
    - Not stopping for right on reds
    - Having 1000 yard stare to the left when turning right on red and being oblivious to pedestrians
    - Failure to get up to speed on onramps
    - Stopping in the middle of the freeway when missing an exit
    - Multiple lane changes without looking to make an exit
    - Backing up on the breakdown lane to make a missed exit
    - Backing a semi down an exit lane to rejoin the freeway because it was the wrong exit
    - Merging into the merge lane of an onramp to pass traffic
    - Using the shoulder to pass traffic
    - Distracted driving and blowing through red lights (with the resultant T-bone side impact collisions)
    - Drunk driving
    - Wrong way driving (drunk, elderly or suicidal)
    - Lane cutting
    - Failure to zipper merge properly
    - Playing "follow the leader" through non-permissive left turns without looking for oncoming traffic
    - Turning left immediately when the non-permissive light turns yellow without yielding for oncoming traffic
    - Multiple cars turning left long after their permissive green arrow has changed to red
    - Detroit/Massachusetts left turns
    - The "right on red / illegal u-turn / right turn" trick (not an actual legal Michigan left / Mexican returno)
    - Entering the oncoming traffic lane when their lane is blocked without checking for oncoming traffic
    - Using honking as a means to "punish" other drivers
    - Blocking other drivers and aggressive lane changes and road rage
BUT OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT BICYCLIST THAT BLEW THAT STOP SIGN IS THE REAL SIGN OF SOCIAL DECAY

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Post by mateo1 »

windowshopping wrote: post #168
thesausageking wrote: post #17

Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…

I was kind of sad for me, to be honest. Between the ages of 18-26 or so I was a really big Elon Musk fan. It's hard to deny the exciting technological progress made by Tesla and SpaceX on many fronts and I hugely bought into the idea that this stemmed from him. On some level I still believe it does - he's been running both successfully for a long time so he clearly isn't utterly full of shit. But watching the autopil…

He isn't an imbecile. Every one of these statements earns him money. He might have started with certain technological aspirations, but then he made a lot of money and turned into a standard corporate psychopath. The only difference with the rest of CEOs is the kind of cult following his early days build for him. He's gonna milk them for as long as he can.

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Post by lariati »

gerikson wrote: post #27
hughrr wrote: post #19

I think full self driving is the same distance away as cold fusion.

But is it closer than Linux on the desktop?

Already here. I am writing this on KDE Plasma.

The amount of other people reading this on a linux desktop is 100% irrelevant to me.

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Post by powerbroker »

bo1024 wrote: post #53
antattack wrote: post #35

Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again. Obviously the system is not ready for such narrow streets with no line markings and bad visibility. Just don't engage it in such situations. I sure hope that the future iterations of FSD beta will assess the environment and ask the driver to take over sooner.

I look forward to the new name for the system. 'Totally Self Driving now can drive over 14% of the time, a 4% improvement from Full Self Driving. Look out soon for the next release, Completely Self Driving.'

I Can't Believe Its Not Self Driving (™)

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Post by ryan_lane »

paxys wrote: post #111
gr1zzlybe4r wrote: post #3

I should be able to roll stops signs without issue on my bicycle if Teslas are able to do it.

I have never in my life seen a bicyclist slow down at a stop sign or sometimes even a red light.

Someone on a bike isn't very likely to kill someone they didn't happen to see when they roll through a stop sign or light. Also, bikes tend to be slower, and the biker has considerably more visibility than someone in a car. I roll through stop signs on a bike, but when I do so, I know for sure that there's no one around, because I slow down some, look around, and I'm able to properly see everything.

I think most bikers stop (or at the very least slow down) for red lights. I don't usually wait for red lights, but unless I'm able to see clearly that it's safe, I'd never just run one, because I'm not suicidal. Again, having much more visibility, and a lot more time to scope out the situation makes this considerably safer for the person on the bike.

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Post by tsunamifury »

lamontcg wrote: post #213
tsunamifury wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there are bad drivers but in SF bad cyclists are a matter of routine. Blowing stop signs, red lights at full speed, weaving through cross traffic and riding on pedestrian sidewalks at speed are not regular occurrences for car drivers. Sure I want a full biking city and what not but the cyclists here are such a bad testimony to everyone else that it starts this strong negativity. Being jerks to the pedestrians an…

A few things that drivers do: - Failure to use signals to merge lanes - Speeding in excess of 80 mph - Tailgating (because otherwise someone would cut in front of you and you'd never get where you're going) - Left lane camping - Aggressively punishment passing left lane campers - Not stopping for right on reds - Having 1000 yard stare to the left when turning right on red and being oblivious to pedestrians - Failure…

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