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Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by manmal »

speedgoose wrote: post #132
theluketaylor wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CCS has a 500 amp cap in the spec, so here is a limit to how fast 400V batteries can be charged on public infrastructure. Going to 800V removes that limitation as well. Tesla doesn’t care since they control everything and can ramp up the amps, but all other cars that want to charge more than 200 kW need to have higher voltage batteries.

True, but all these cars are quite far from having a flat 200kW charging curve anyway.

The curve doesn’t need to be flat to benefit from peak flow above 200kW. Cars in later generations will likely charge above 200kW in the 20-80% SOC range.

Higher voltage also reduces power losses.

Not sure what you are arguing against here, to be honest - are you defending Tesla‘s system? Slow charging is one of the main arguments against EVs, it’s great that this is finally being fixed.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

nanobyte wrote: post #194
tmh88j wrote: post #156

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You still have to look at the screen to change them, which is especially ridiculous considering you're likely only to use wipers during inclement conditions when your eyes need to be on the road the most. From my experience, most Tesla apologists do not have a good frame of reference for what other manufacturers offer in the same price point. It's usually their first car that was not an economy car/base model. Of cou…

This simply isn't accurate. My first car after college was an Audi A4, and later an S4. And then a BMW. I've lived and driven all manner of higher-end cars while working in Germany. I'd take the Model Y any day. It's the easiest and most intuitive vehicle I've ever driven. I used to think the same way about physical buttons. But in reality, as others have said, you rarely use the touchscreen while driving--and basica…

I drive one and I disagree about the voice control, I think it's pretty bad. I tried ten different ways of saying turn on front defrost, but the only thing it understood was rear defrost (or was it the other way around?). I had to Google how to do it and since I don't remember I just use the touch screen now. Rear fog lights and passenger airco I never got working using voice control. After a while you just stip trying what works with voice control and what not and which exact sentence you have to say.

The touch screen isn't that intuitive either. I've yet to figure out how to take an address suggestion and then also add a street number.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by CRConrad »

dotancohen wrote: post #108
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

> The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think.

Huh -- what was "American" about DeLorean, besides the founder/owner being from the US? The company was based in the UK (Northern Ireland) AFAIK, or possibly Ireland.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by CRConrad »

judge2020 wrote: post #145
ajross wrote: post #64

Weird seeing this ranked so high. The record in this situation isn't anything anyone has tried to "beat" before, nor is it something anyone called a "record" until Kia tried. In fact it's just a side note from a six year old press hit Tesla did where they drove a Model S across the country in like 60 hours or something. And while doing so, it spent twelve hours on chargers. (Again, this was back in the days of the 75…

This is because Guinness offers "consulting" services to companies that want to break records for PR, where they find records only one person/company has done before that's easy to break. https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/the-application...

Didn't know that. Well, seems it's pretty effective: at least I fell for it.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by scrubs »

convery wrote: post #87
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

Not to defend the company, but degraded performance of the AC (which they cover under warranty) is probably not what most think of when they hear "reliability"..

Same here: I would prefer Tesla to rate well on reliability but I can also tell you that in the mid-80s I spent many an hour explaining to a recent Detroit transplant that American car manufacturing quality needs serious improvent and that, no, Japanese quality isn't better mainly because of Japanese government support. Japan took our own Deming seriously; we didn't.

Kia isn't Japanese. And Toyota has had problems since their zienth mid 90s. So nobody has got a lock on this. But one has gotta stay after it

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by tmh88j »

qubitcoder wrote: post #195
lrem wrote: post #178

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This made me tremendously sad. I've been waiting for the Y 7 seater to reach Europe. Now I feel betrayed by none of the reviews I've ever glanced making this clear. And I'm at a loss on what car to hope for instead.

For what it's worth, the Tesla wipers are by default in automatic mode. They work so well that I didn't even realize they were automatic until about 10 minutes of driving in the rain. Unlike other auto-wipers I've used in the past, the wipers on my Telsa Model Y are fantastic. By that mean, in nearly a year of driving, I've never once manually adjusted the wiper speed (or even thought about it). That includes extreme…

> Unlike other auto-wipers I've used in the past, the wipers on my Telsa Model Y are fantastic. By that mean, in nearly a year of driving, I've never once manually adjusted the wiper speed (or even thought about it)

I disagree. Dirty windshields and worn out blades often make them act erratically. Anyone who lives in a snowy climate knows how salty roads instantly cover your windshield and turn it into an opaque screen without constantly spraying it. I've seen them turn on just because the windshield was dirty, there wasn't even water on the windshield.

Here's a pretty ridiculous video of some guys showing how the wipers will turn on for just about any kind of obstruction of the camera. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SSYFMtdJ5k

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by ncmncm »

lrem wrote: post #188
ncmncm wrote: post #186

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I think you must have got a bit confused. What km/hr do you think you just quoted?

180km/h Edit: this doesn't make it my average speed, as much of the time is spent decelerating because of whatever is happening and accelerating back. The average through that 850km stretch is likely closer to 160km/h, I should measure it one day. For the curious: over the whole 3000km roundtrip I seem to be burning fuel at about 7l/100km, or 33.6mpg.

OK, I concede you were serious. Is this on the Autobahn?

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by lrem »

ncmncm wrote: post #217
lrem wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

180km/h Edit: this doesn't make it my average speed, as much of the time is spent decelerating because of whatever is happening and accelerating back. The average through that 850km stretch is likely closer to 160km/h, I should measure it one day. For the curious: over the whole 3000km roundtrip I seem to be burning fuel at about 7l/100km, or 33.6mpg.

OK, I concede you were serious. Is this on the Autobahn?

Yup, the only place where you can go over 140.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by RangerScience »

CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #151
RangerScience wrote: post #143

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Tesla owner. While driving, I rarely use the touchscreen, as the knobs + sticks that are available cover everything I need. Then, I find everything about the interfaces vastly, immensely superior to anything I've seen in any other car. Like - what do you even need, while driving? Music controls ("next", volume) and wipers, and blinkers? Done, and easily, and (nearly) clearly. The minimalism is (IMHO) beautiful and ve…

>Like - what do you even need, while driving? Front and rear defrost, mist light, wipers, rear passenger airco are things I miss physical buttons for. Mist light is the most annoying since you can't even use voice control and it's fairly deep in the menu. Same thing for passenger airco.

I'm pretty sure that the brights (are those the same as mist?) are activated through the normal "pull" action on a stick; but I don't live in an area that gets mist with any regularity so it might not have ever come up for me.

I've never even heard of a situation where someone needed to turn on defrosters while driving; I've certainly only ever turned it on before driving (and then it stays fine).

I can see the rear passenger airco, but only if you only have rear passengers, since reaching up there isn't going to work.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by RangerScience »

tmh88j wrote: post #148
RangerScience wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla owner. While driving, I rarely use the touchscreen, as the knobs + sticks that are available cover everything I need. Then, I find everything about the interfaces vastly, immensely superior to anything I've seen in any other car. Like - what do you even need, while driving? Music controls ("next", volume) and wipers, and blinkers? Done, and easily, and (nearly) clearly. The minimalism is (IMHO) beautiful and ve…

> Then, I find everything about the interfaces vastly, immensely superior to anything I've seen in any other car. Having to open a menu for wipers is the opposite of that.

I have never, ever had to open a menu for wipers. The sticks work and the button is big, obvious, on the "home" screen, and not on the part that changes, so IDK what you're talking about.
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