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Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by judge2020 »

Tagbert wrote: post #113
account-5 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought my current car 5 years ago second hand outright for £12k. These cars are at least £35k out of my price range and are about half the cost of my house. I'm not rich. Until these cars are more reasonably priced (up front cost) the majority of people can't afford to buy them regardless of their range or potential saving on fuel.

You really can't fairly compare cost between new and used. EVs have been around long enough now that you could find a used Leaf, Tesla, or some others that would be in that price range. Currently prices are still high because most manufacturers are addressing range by adding larger batteries. They have been able to do that because the price of batteries has been dropping year over year. As the battery costs continue…

> EVs have been around long enough now that you could find a used Leaf, Tesla, or some others that would be in that price range.

At least in a regular market; the used market right now is one where Teslas appreciate in value, since buying a new one is likely to be 1-2 years out[0]. Deliveries will likely be normalized for 3/Y within the next year as Gigafactory Texas comes online.

0: https://electrek.co/2021/10/22/tesla-hikes-model-3-model-y-p...

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jhgb »

judge2020 wrote: post #139
jhgb wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean Musk -- the vehicle's private owner and user -- personally supplied it?

Musk's personal roadster was VIN 1, so while the rumors are that this was his daily driver Roadster (which would make sense since it looks like a 2.0 with 2.5 stuff in it), it came free from Tesla either way.

So he had multiple of them, cool. It was his personal property when he donated it for the purpose. So no Tesla involvement was necessary. Not quite sure how it's relevant how he'd previously acquired it unless Tesla commanded him to use it in a specific way.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by RangerScience »

fishywang wrote: post #129
dotancohen wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

Comparing Tesla to Porsche is just ridiculous. Tesla might get some of the battery thing right, but they get so many car thing wrong. For example, that touchscreen. Using physical buttons and knobs to adjust things in the car means that the driver do not need to move their sight away from the road, and can do it blindly (because the buttons and knobs are physical that you can feel with your finger). With a huge touch…

Tesla owner. While driving, I rarely use the touchscreen, as the knobs + sticks that are available cover everything I need. Then, I find everything about the interfaces vastly, immensely superior to anything I've seen in any other car.

Like - what do you even need, while driving? Music controls ("next", volume) and wipers, and blinkers? Done, and easily, and (nearly) clearly. The minimalism is (IMHO) beautiful and very effective.

Otherwise, occasionally move the map around. Very rarely change destination address after I've started driving. One a season or something for other stuff (signing into Spotify), but that's pretty much always before I start any drive.

What do you even do in you car, while driving, that needs tactile buttons that aren't already covered?

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by theluketaylor »

speedgoose wrote: post #132
theluketaylor wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CCS has a 500 amp cap in the spec, so here is a limit to how fast 400V batteries can be charged on public infrastructure. Going to 800V removes that limitation as well. Tesla doesn’t care since they control everything and can ramp up the amps, but all other cars that want to charge more than 200 kW need to have higher voltage batteries.

True, but all these cars are quite far from having a flat 200kW charging curve anyway.

No charging curve is flat (apart from e-tron, but I don’t see anyone devoting that much unusable buffer ever again), but taycan can sustain more than 200 kW past 30% state of charge. Ionic 5’s curve is weird, but it can sustain more than 200 kW between 30 and 50% state of charge. We haven’t seen a lucid air’s curve yet, but inside EVs reports it can crack 300 kW and have hinted it’s extremely good and will be publishing in the next couple days.

As people switch to EVs range anxiety is a big thing, but once I became an owner I realized charge curve mattered way more than static range. I’d rather dump charge in at low state of charge and make a couple more short stops than sit around waiting to get to 80+% as the curve tapers.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by judge2020 »

ajross wrote: post #64

Weird seeing this ranked so high. The record in this situation isn't anything anyone has tried to "beat" before, nor is it something anyone called a "record" until Kia tried. In fact it's just a side note from a six year old press hit Tesla did where they drove a Model S across the country in like 60 hours or something. And while doing so, it spent twelve hours on chargers. (Again, this was back in the days of the 75…

This is because Guinness offers "consulting" services to companies that want to break records for PR, where they find records only one person/company has done before that's easy to break.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/the-application...

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Tagbert wrote: post #113
account-5 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought my current car 5 years ago second hand outright for £12k. These cars are at least £35k out of my price range and are about half the cost of my house. I'm not rich. Until these cars are more reasonably priced (up front cost) the majority of people can't afford to buy them regardless of their range or potential saving on fuel.

You really can't fairly compare cost between new and used. EVs have been around long enough now that you could find a used Leaf, Tesla, or some others that would be in that price range. Currently prices are still high because most manufacturers are addressing range by adding larger batteries. They have been able to do that because the price of batteries has been dropping year over year. As the battery costs continue…

>As the market expands, the increase in volume will let them bring out models in the more affordable price points.

I'm still not sure how this is going to shake out in the secondhand market. I have a feeling the cost of replacing a battery is going to put a floor on the price of EV's.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Tagbert wrote: post #116
throwawaysea wrote: post #86

Is it possible to do something like put a gas generator on a tow hitch platform and charge as you drive for a longer range extension? I am guessing the manufacturers don’t let you charge as you drive but I am curious if there are theoretical blockers to this.

what you are describing is a PHEV (plugin hybrid electric vehicle). The Chevy Volt and Toyota RAV4 Prime are examples of that. Those vehicles are intended to address range anxiety, not charging speed. Trying to do it with a Mickey Mouse contraption like a generator in a trailer would likely be inefficient and inconvenient compared to an integrated system like a PHEV. Generators are not as efficient as just getting el…

>they don't try to recharge the battery as that would cost more than just plugging in on a charger.

I always assumed they had regenerative braking.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by tmh88j »

RangerScience wrote: post #143
fishywang wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing Tesla to Porsche is just ridiculous. Tesla might get some of the battery thing right, but they get so many car thing wrong. For example, that touchscreen. Using physical buttons and knobs to adjust things in the car means that the driver do not need to move their sight away from the road, and can do it blindly (because the buttons and knobs are physical that you can feel with your finger). With a huge touch…

Tesla owner. While driving, I rarely use the touchscreen, as the knobs + sticks that are available cover everything I need. Then, I find everything about the interfaces vastly, immensely superior to anything I've seen in any other car. Like - what do you even need, while driving? Music controls ("next", volume) and wipers, and blinkers? Done, and easily, and (nearly) clearly. The minimalism is (IMHO) beautiful and ve…

> Then, I find everything about the interfaces vastly, immensely superior to anything I've seen in any other car.

Having to open a menu for wipers is the opposite of that.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by imperialdrive »

Xunxi wrote: post #7
akmarinov wrote: post #3

The EV6 has a lot of things equivalent Teslas don’t offer - cooled seats, 360 view cameras, Apple Carplay/Android Auto and it offers similar performance.

The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…

Toyota Avalon, the car I will own as long as they manufacture them. Amen.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by bwanab »

This is fishy. Not that I doubt it did indeed happen, but my experience is that finding non-Tesla high speed chargers on a road trip ranges from tricky and inconvenient to impossible. From that, I conclude that this was a well researched stunt using a specific route that had such a population of such chargers. I’m pretty sure that if the challenge were presented that assigned a specific, random route across the country, a Tesla would win easily given the ubiquity of their charger network.
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