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Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by treespace88 »

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #25

If you have been passively reading about M1 and haven’t had the chance to upgrade your Air or MBP, just know it’s the real deal. I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. A little wild to think in — poof! — a single year we have gone to the Air, Mac Book Pro, iPad, and iMac sharing the SAME chip! Amazing, can’t wait for the new iPhone...

Thanks I’m thinking about it. But is it good for ios development? It’s the only thing holding me back right now. Currently on 2012 16 inch MBP.

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Post by intergalplan »

Tycho wrote: post #96

Thinking of buying one and propping it up on my piano and using it for music writing and music tuition apps. Anyone tried anything like this?

We use it a 1st-gen 12.9" iPad Pro for our piano (and other stuff). If you've got a digital piano you can even plug it in and get MIDI input, which enables some really cool stuff (especially for writing music, I'd expect). It's great, and the 12.9" size is really good for that. I'd expect any newer model to be the same thing, but a little nicer.

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Post by bluescrn »

robertu wrote: post #147
smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

True. But this is also what I am so exciting about what will be next on iPadOS on WWDC this year, hardware has already over Mac, it’s time to software.

The problem is that nobody has really found a way to bridge the chasm between touchscreen UI design and mouse/keyboard UI design.

Attempts to get there tend to dumb down and limit the functionality of the mouse+keyboard experience.

I guess the obvious option would be to let Pro users switch an iPad into a 'MacOS mode' with the full desktop interface, mostly relying on an additional keyboard+mouse. But I can't see Apple going for anything like that. They're more likely to push the desktop interface more in the direction of iOS...

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Post by DavidAdams »

christiansakai wrote: post #133

For this Mother's Day I am thinking of getting my old mother either an iPad Pro (M1) or Macbook Air (M1). Emphasized on "old" because she is technically quite illiterate. She does use iPhone though. I wonder what will be the better gift for her? Is iPad quite foolproof? I am thinking of getting the magic keyboard as well and the mouse in case she needs a mouse. Her workflow most likely just browsing, email, FaceTime,…

Since my mom moved to an iPad for her general internet consumption, my thankless tech support tasks dropped to zero.

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Post by Jtsummers »

gmaster1440 wrote: post #207
reader_mode wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why tho ? Everything about the system is locked down - it's never going to be a good development machine no matter if you run electron vscode or not. It could be a decent client for stuff like web vscode.

I don't think a machine's fitness for development is correlated to how locked down it is—you can totally have a very controlled environment with gatekeeping like the current iPadOS but have well-designed tools and development environments built for it. Apple did it with macOS after all...

macOS is not terribly locked down. The terminal is immediately accessible, dev tools are one download away (unless you want to use an older version of various interpreted languages). Most of the locked down defaults with regard to downloading programs can be easily sidestepped if you open up Preferences and click a couple buttons.

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Post by moogleii »

cletus wrote: post #99

And... no Touch ID (unlike the iPad Air) [1][2]. I recently bought the iPad Air after having the iPad Pro and hating Face ID on it. It's bad enough that I have Face ID on my iPhone. I hate it so much. Face ID is such a terrible UX that has caused me to enter my passcode to unlock more times a day than I care to count. Even if you ignore the fact that they don't work with masks, it's still a bad idea. The false negati…

I love the move to Face ID (pre-covid). I would accept Touch ID as a back up, but never as my primary.

> Another UX problem: when I had a home button I could exit the app by testing it. Now I have to swipe up. But which way I swipe depends on how the app is rotated.

It's always swipe up relative to the bottom of the app. That makes sense.

> I could bring up my list of apps with a double tap of the home button. Now I have to do a weird swipe up-right-up to get the same functionality.

This is incorrect. You need only swipe up 20% of the screen or so. You should feel haptic feedback. No right motion needed.

And if you want to swipe directly to previous apps, simply swipe left or right on the bottom bar.

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Post by bsharitt »

I recently decided to get a Macbook Air over an iPad Pro(would have waited for the refresh for the iPad as it was already heavily rumored). I really wanted to want the iPad, but the software is still holding it back, and other than a tablet/convertable form factor I like and a few things it affords like being a decent color eReader, there's nothing that I can do exceptionally better on the iPad compared to a Mac, but several I can do on the Mac over the iPad.

So now I've got a MacBook Air I'm happy with, but my 6th gen iPad will soldier on doing the few things the form factor affords such as being my large color eReader for certain books and the occasional lazy from the bed web browsing while I rely on the Mac for anything heavier.

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Post by rasengan »

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

What I do these days is use an iPad Pro and use a cloud-based virtual desktop [1] so I have the best of both worlds with me. The caveat is that you can't do this without internet access.

[1] https://shells.com/

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Post by enos_feedler »

notJim wrote: post #206
smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

For me the overall experience just doesn't work as a productivity device. The gestures to multitask are too complex. Every edge and corner has a different meaning, and swiping does several different things depending on direction. It's not natural to have your monitor and keyboard super close together, and to have your monitor sitting directly on a desk. It's not comfortable to poke a semi-vertical touchscreen over a…

Productivity takes many shapes and forms. The use cases highlighted in the video were about capturing video podcasts, rendering previews in the field, etc. you can be productive without fitting into the traditional mold of productive computing. Thats what ipad is after.

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Post by ancount »

treespace88 wrote: post #211
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #25

If you have been passively reading about M1 and haven’t had the chance to upgrade your Air or MBP, just know it’s the real deal. I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. A little wild to think in — poof! — a single year we have gone to the Air, Mac Book Pro, iPad, and iMac sharing the SAME chip! Amazing, can’t wait for the new iPhone...

Thanks I’m thinking about it. But is it good for ios development? It’s the only thing holding me back right now. Currently on 2012 16 inch MBP.

M1 macs can run iOS apps natively, so I am guessing that the emulation for iOS development is a whole lot better. Sorry I can't really give you anything more concrete than that.

I would wait until the fall, though, it is likely that there will be a 15+ inch MBP with a new apple chip.

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