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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by toast0 »

guscost wrote: post #164
Teknoman117 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. My grandfather died early in the pandemic (May). He tested positive for a period of three weeks and then tested negative a few times. He started feeling better and we were hopeful, but the damage was too great and his heart failed a few weeks later. I really just can't put my feelings into words. He was in a physical rehab facility after surgery. When the pandemic hit, visitation was forbidden. Turns out m…

Thank you for sharing, really, but understand that I could also slip into blind hatred over what I see as the suffering you and your culture have caused (not least being caregivers so scared by the hyped-up risk to younger and healthier people that they abandoned patients?!) but that would not be useful. As the minority opinion I’m also more likely to get flagged or banned, and I do use that handicap as a crutch some…

I don't think I can excuse abandoning patients, but not all caregivers are young and healthy; so some of them would have reason to fear for their safety, or the safety of those they live with, or not want to spread disease among their patients.

Lots of stuff went wrong, and it's tragic that Teknoman117's grandfather couldn't get discharged quickly. It would have been better to be at home without appropriate mobility care than to be in a facility without appropriate mobility care and an active outbreak.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by anovikov »

cperciva wrote: post #35
randmeerkat wrote: post #4

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According to this yahoo article about 65 - 70% of the population needs to be vaccinated until we can get back to normal. That said there still may be mutations or other complicating factors that could throw a wrench in things. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/around-65-75-of-the-populatio...

Immunized, not vaccinated. In particular, patients who have recovered from COVID-19 are (mostly) immune and count towards "herd immunity". (Obviously vaccination is by far the preferable of those two options!)

Only for a while. Anywhere from 2 months to 2 years depending on who you ask, and severity of disease - 3 to 7 months for most people.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by balia »

not_a_moth wrote: post #183
umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

We'll unlikely reach said number because over 50% of the population of the us is not interested in a vaccine because they do not view covid-19 as a disease much more risky than the flu. Facing this reality, the policy will probably be once everyone who wants it has had a chance to get it, things will or should move towards normal.

At some point, we have to let these people choose. You can only protect people from themselves to a certain degree

Once the sane ones are vaccinated, open everything up and let nature take care of the dumb ones. If you insist on drinking gasoline, good luck

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by adw »

wernercd wrote: post #177
Teknoman117 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Death is quite natural, but the fact that a single pathogen, which other "western" nations managed to get under control has become the second leading cause of death in the United States is a horrific thing. Heart disease is a systemic issue of our lifestyle and diet, and we don't know how to prevent cancer. A pathogen is fairly simple by comparison - if you don't catch it you can't die from it. Prevent the spread and…

Except other western countries haven't "gotten it under control"... they are all having second waves and resurgences with or without large lockdowns and with or without draconian processes. > fairly simple Until you start looking at how many lives are saved vs the second and third tier effects. Higher suicide rates from losing jobs and stress? People in third world countries dying from a cratered world economy? etc.…

Lockdowns, social distancing and masking – done consistently – do work. Even the half-measures lockdowns the US has gone through has stopped the entire medical system from collapsing, and at times it has been very close. In NYC in the first wave, it did.

But that isn't what has happened in the US, largely for political reasons.

There are no good options, only less worse ones, and aggressive lockdowns have got Australia, for example, back to work. The cumulative cost of the US's failure to grasp the nettle and just shut everything down for two months properly back last March is enormous.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by lsiebert »

umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

When there's enough people vaccinated for herd immunity so there isn't community spread.

Sadly it didn't have to be this bad. Compare the US to New Zealand.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by doubleunplussed »

raldi wrote: post #175
cobookman wrote: post #93

America has ~330 million people. Let's assume the 18.7 Million was just in the month of january..not 100% acurate, but not 100% inaccurate. That gives us a timeline of more than 1 year at current rate to vaccinate the entire US. Even vaccinating 70% the population will take roughly a year at current pace. Puts things in some perspective.

That’s not how exponential curves work.

Not much reason to believe vaccination rollout will be exponential. Maybe quadratic.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by remote_phone »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #194
not_a_moth wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'll unlikely reach said number because over 50% of the population of the us is not interested in a vaccine because they do not view covid-19 as a disease much more risky than the flu. Facing this reality, the policy will probably be once everyone who wants it has had a chance to get it, things will or should move towards normal.

The number of people interested is up to 66% now ( https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/21/poli... ), and I think there’s good reason to expect it to keep rising as the rollout continues. It does seem likely there’ll be an awkward in between period where we don’t have quite enough takeup but the vaccinated people demand to go clubbing, but I don’t expect it’ll be too large.

The number of people in the US interested in getting vaccinated is very high, especially compared to Europe where it’s something like 20% in France.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by toomanybeersies »

wernercd wrote: post #177
Teknoman117 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Death is quite natural, but the fact that a single pathogen, which other "western" nations managed to get under control has become the second leading cause of death in the United States is a horrific thing. Heart disease is a systemic issue of our lifestyle and diet, and we don't know how to prevent cancer. A pathogen is fairly simple by comparison - if you don't catch it you can't die from it. Prevent the spread and…

Except other western countries haven't "gotten it under control"... they are all having second waves and resurgences with or without large lockdowns and with or without draconian processes. > fairly simple Until you start looking at how many lives are saved vs the second and third tier effects. Higher suicide rates from losing jobs and stress? People in third world countries dying from a cratered world economy? etc.…

Australia has had recorded zero locally acquired cases for more than 7 days now. At one point, Melbourne recorded 700 cases in a day, after several months of hard lockdown, it's down to 1 case in 30 days.

There's also no indication that the suicide rate in 2020 changed significantly from previous years (https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/co...)

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by throwawayboise »

mbrameld wrote: post #119
throwawayboise wrote: post #81

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Yeah he's been all over the place since day one. I don't really listen to the guy anymore.

All over the place, changing his position as he learns more, tomayto, tomato right?

Based "on what he thinks the country is ready to hear" to use his own words.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by vkou »

not_a_moth wrote: post #183
umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

We'll unlikely reach said number because over 50% of the population of the us is not interested in a vaccine because they do not view covid-19 as a disease much more risky than the flu. Facing this reality, the policy will probably be once everyone who wants it has had a chance to get it, things will or should move towards normal.

Thanks to baseless, politically motivated FUD, there are a lot of people who don't want to get vaccinated, but that number is nowhere near 50%.
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