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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by throwawayboise »

worker767424 wrote: post #58
caseysoftware wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is quite sure but we're a LONG way from it.. and that's without addressing the fear/trauma that's been inflicted on otherwise healthy+exceptionally low risk people. From a month ago: Dr. Anthony Fauci now says as much as 90 percent of the population may need to get vaccinated or infected to achieve herd immunity against COVID-19 — admitting in a new interview that he has been intentionally raising the bar base…

> on what he thinks the country is ready to hear He does have a track record of being dishonest about things. Part of the reason he drug his feet on masks was he was worried about shortages. It makes sense, but I really don't like the "I know what's best for you" paternalism.

Yeah he's been all over the place since day one. I don't really listen to the guy anymore.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by CGamesPlay »

perardi wrote: post #22

I had a bit of a frustrating experience getting my elderly parents signed up for a jab today. They are patients of a local hospital conglomerate. (I realize that’s typical in the States, Kaiser et al., but I’ve been living in Ontario, where you’re not wedded to some particular chain.) The hospital system said they’d notify patients who qualify, which both of my parents do, in spades. Dad was just in the ICU, during t…

To be fair, communicating medical information through some channels is illegal due to privacy/security concerns. However I know that Kaiser in particular does actually email you to say "you have a message", even though it won't say what that message is.

When you're at the hospital, you might be able to pop by the administration office to make sure that the email they have for you is correct... you know, for when the next pandemic comes and you have this problem again.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by mbg721 »

umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

Whenever public resistance becomes inconvenient enough that the media are forced to change the narrative.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by throwawayboise »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #74
rmk wrote: post #39

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No one will pay the political price of causing infections among children by reopening rapidly. And I'd like to believe that as a society, we are cautious about letting children be infected with a novel disease whose long-term effects are unknown.

I’m not sure your reading of the political climate is accurate. A lot of places have already reopened schools, and I’ve heard a lot of politicians explicitly say that they’re willing to pay the price because it’s not a big deal if kids get it. Maybe they’re wrong, but if you expect that there’ll be public support behind keeping things closed when the death and hospitalization rates start plummeting, I think you’d bet…

> it’s not a big deal if kids get it

The Academy of Pediatrics says this. It's not just some politicans who don't know anything about epidemology and likely have never even taken a college-level biology course.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by smileysteve »

umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

< 5% positivity rate of a significant number of tests over 2 weeks should indicate containment of community spread.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by Izkata »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #45
umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

I believe we can add the vaccinated and the recovered, yes? About 25 million have recovered so far. That puts us at about 12% 'immune'.

Don't forget cross-immunity from other viruses. Numbers I vaguely remember put it anywhere from 5% to 30% depending on the country.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawayboise wrote: post #84
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure your reading of the political climate is accurate. A lot of places have already reopened schools, and I’ve heard a lot of politicians explicitly say that they’re willing to pay the price because it’s not a big deal if kids get it. Maybe they’re wrong, but if you expect that there’ll be public support behind keeping things closed when the death and hospitalization rates start plummeting, I think you’d bet…

> it’s not a big deal if kids get it The Academy of Pediatrics says this. It's not just some politicans who don't know anything about epidemology and likely have never even taken a college-level biology course.

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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by Izkata »

supertrope wrote: post #69
peytn wrote: post #40

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One might reasonably believe that clearly defined exit criteria might boost compliance if chosen carefully with community input. I can see the other side of things. In my opinion we are doing a very poor job of meeting people’s needs.

People were only in this together for a few weeks in March and April. I can somewhat understand as losing one's job is losing almost everything in America. Our leaders frittered away two months of advance warning, provided contradictory advice on masks, and botched creating a test. Compare the United States with Korea which had their first confirmed case on the same day.

"Two weeks to slow the spread" while we build up hospital capacity has turned into nearly a year of not bothering with extra capacity. It doesn't surprise me people are fed up.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by AndrewBissell »

unishark wrote: post #60

> * Herd immunity numbers assume no ongoing vaccination -- they more or less say, "If life went back to normal, would the virus slow down or speed up?" I'd say ongoing vaccination (after herd immunity is reached) is irrelevant to the herd immunity calculation. Is that what you meant? Though we'd obviously still need vaccinations as much of the world will not have herd immunity for a long time, if ever. And certainly…

> Personally I hope we keep a lot of it, at least a long while more. I really hate catching flu's and colds.

Are you blissfully unaware of the enormous mental health and developmental problems these measures are causing, or do you just rate those as less important than suffering an occasional mild illness while you eat DoorDash and watch Netflix?

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by EamonnMR »

guscost wrote: post #79
cperciva wrote: post #35

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Immunized, not vaccinated. In particular, patients who have recovered from COVID-19 are (mostly) immune and count towards "herd immunity". (Obviously vaccination is by far the preferable of those two options!)

You’re not wrong, but the right people cannot profit or accumulate power via the spread of natural immunity, and not at all coincidentally it is unpopular to mention. “But the risk is far too great not to pay trillions and surrender our freedom,” retorts a frightened chorus of people.

It's probably more along the lines of us not being able to correctly guess who has recovered from CoVID because most people are asymptomatic.
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