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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by nogridbag »

IgorPartola wrote: post #55
cthaeh wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children are almost immune from the virus. Everyone below 40 is also extremely extremely unlikely to die from the virus, just to a lesser extent.

First, that’s factually incorrect. Second, children can transmit COVID even if they don’t get severe cases. Ever send a kid to school or daycare and then spend a year or two sick with everything every child in that school or daycare had? Kids spread cold/flu like viruses probably faster than anyone.

That has been true for us up until the pandemic - at least in our case. The combination of the school taking extra precautions and parents not sending sick kids to school is working. We've had our daughter in daycare for months with 1 total illness (minor cold). And in that case I believe it was from taking her to outdoor dining. Kids seem to touch every part of those restaurant high chairs which are never sanitized.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by ac29 »

IgorPartola wrote: post #50

Does anyone know where I can find how many doses have been distributed to each state and how many are stockpiled federally or by the manufacturers? That’s the info I really can’t seem to find and it would be really interesting to see. Also would love to see production numbers day by day if possible. The simplistic estimates I keep seeing on places like CNN basically just take the current daily vaccination rate and us…

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by guscost »

metamet wrote: post #105
guscost wrote: post #103

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What should I tell my elderly relatives who are so creeped out by this fascist, disgraceful fiasco, that they will refuse a vaccine even though it has a decent chance of doing some good?

That you don't want them to get it and die, like my grandma did? I'm not quite sure how you can convince someone to get a vaccine if they don't trust the science on it.

I’m not sure how much of it is fear of the MRNA vaccine itself, and how much is an objection to the creepy fascist context. Probably a lot of both, and maybe yes a bit too much of the former.

But in any case their reply is, “We would rather take the risk.”

If they get sick and die like your grandma (condolences), they will have done so at least partially by choice, a choice which they have damn well earned by their mid-nineties. I would not prefer that to them avoiding the disease entirely (they would be especially mad at being shut away in a closed ward to die alone), but it sure as hell would still be better than seeing them enslaved by technocrats.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by dehrmann »

peytn wrote: post #25
jeremiahhs wrote: post #6

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Probably once the testing positivity rate is well below 1%, things may return to normal. I'll be curious what criteria are used.

Doesn’t seem like that condition leads to termination. As things return to normal, fewer surveillance tests will be conducted by definition, so the test positivity rate will rise.

Test positivity is a weird metric because of things like this. It's interesting week-over-week, but loses meaning over the long term as testing protocols, other behavior changes, and changes to the disease. This makes it a lousy metric for policy making.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by diveanon »

umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

What exactly is so difficult about wearing masks for Americans?

I'm an expat living in Thailand, which has an exceptionally low number of cases due to consistent mask use and social precautions.

Even if the vaccine reaches a level of saturation that is deemed safe, wearing a mask is a sane precaution that does not hurt you in any way and potentially saves lives of those unable to receive the vaccine.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by randmeerkat »

metamet wrote: post #105
guscost wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What should I tell my elderly relatives who are so creeped out by this fascist, disgraceful fiasco, that they will refuse a vaccine even though it has a decent chance of doing some good?

That you don't want them to get it and die, like my grandma did? I'm not quite sure how you can convince someone to get a vaccine if they don't trust the science on it.

I’m sorry your grandma died.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by worker767424 »

supertrope wrote: post #77
worker767424 wrote: post #58

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> on what he thinks the country is ready to hear He does have a track record of being dishonest about things. Part of the reason he drug his feet on masks was he was worried about shortages. It makes sense, but I really don't like the "I know what's best for you" paternalism.

That's how you know he's a physician and not a politician. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independen...

I dunno, politicians seem pretty good at lying to people.

In seriousness, I believe him when he said he's not a politician. What he doesn't get is that that's half his job.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by AndrewBissell »

rmk wrote: post #39
cthaeh wrote: post #29

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Children are almost immune from the virus. Everyone below 40 is also extremely extremely unlikely to die from the virus, just to a lesser extent.

No one will pay the political price of causing infections among children by reopening rapidly. And I'd like to believe that as a society, we are cautious about letting children be infected with a novel disease whose long-term effects are unknown.

Inflicting on all children the certain damage of social isolation, screen learning, and further economic precarity, to avoid theoretical and undemonstrated long-term effects (of a perhaps serious but not crippling nature) to a small percentage of them, does not strike me as societal wisdom in any way.

Also, do you know what else has unknown long-term effects in children?

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by mbrameld »

throwawayboise wrote: post #81
worker767424 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on what he thinks the country is ready to hear He does have a track record of being dishonest about things. Part of the reason he drug his feet on masks was he was worried about shortages. It makes sense, but I really don't like the "I know what's best for you" paternalism.

Yeah he's been all over the place since day one. I don't really listen to the guy anymore.

All over the place, changing his position as he learns more, tomayto, tomato right?

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by latch »

diveanon wrote: post #115
umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

What exactly is so difficult about wearing masks for Americans? I'm an expat living in Thailand, which has an exceptionally low number of cases due to consistent mask use and social precautions. Even if the vaccine reaches a level of saturation that is deemed safe, wearing a mask is a sane precaution that does not hurt you in any way and potentially saves lives of those unable to receive the vaccine.

I think you'll find people will hide behind the mask of "liberty", but in reality it's a mix of stupidity, laziness and selfishness.
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