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How Homogeneous Is Japan?

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Re: How Homogeneous Is Japan?

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Switzerland is also what I call (non-pejoratively) an amalgam country. It’s a got a lot of German and Italian influences. Just like Belgium, which is a mix of French, German, and Dutch cultures.

AFAIK, Switzerland and Belgium are very different. Belgium is culturally very divided: the two major cultures (Dutch-speaking and French-speaking) are hardly mixed, especially in recent times, with the exception of Brussels. From conversations with a Swiss friend, I gather that the cultures in Switzerland are much more mixed in daily life.

I live in German-speaking and Switzerland and the division between here and French-speaking Switzerland is massive. There's a reason there's a whole "trench" named after it [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B6stigraben

Re: How Homogeneous Is Japan?

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Landing in Japan, I was surprised to find that people did not look that similar. I mean, this is Asia and all Asians look the same. But Japan had some yellowish, whitish, brownish people that were all, euh, Japanese. In a sense, they were Japanese because they behaved like Japanese. It seems that behavior plays a big role in how people can identify another one as being one of them. Robert Sapolsky has a great series…

> To uproot racism, you need to rally your population behind common denominators and values. That's all very nice but how do you apply it to the situation where you have a minority group with little to no interest in integrating into the indigenous culture?

That's simple. Integrate or be removed. Cultures across time have dealt with attempts to supplant them with hostility. Whether you see that as a viable option is up to you.

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Oh, come on. The Democratic left also opposes the ACA. I'm sure somebody on Twitter or in The American Prospect managed to write the sentence implying that opposition to the ACA is somehow "racist", but nobody actually believes this, the same way nobody actually believes a lot of crazy things right-wingers have claimed. There has to be room for people to say stupid stuff without the constant risk that the entire deba…

I can't count then number of articles I've read since January 6 characterizing conservatism generally as basically racism. Which is fine. Progressives are hurtling toward an Ibram Kendi definition of "racism" and under that definition, pretty much all of conservatism is "racist" in the sense that it's not anti-racist. You're probably not going to correct the structural economic differences between Black and white peo…

If you had simply said that liberals frequently accuse conservative ideas as being racist, I'd have nodded (and not commented). But you said that liberals widely consider opposition to the ACA racist. They do not. Again: you will find someone that said that; we can play that game all night. We have to stop allowing discussions among reasonable people to be hostage to the stupidest things other people have said.

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"Not gathering racial statistics is the norm in continental Europe. It's mostly Anglo-Saxon people (us, uk) and their love for the idea of "race" that is the exception." In the UK, statistics are collected on the ethnic origin of people in order to provide insights into important issues. For example, the COVID-19 pandemic has revealed that deaths from COVID-19 are higher among black and South Asian groups. Without th…

But is it more meaningful than many other variable that one might collect statistics of? What stands out for me in particular is that there is often talk in academic achievement and income level as a function of race, but it turns out that the far less discussed variable of the time of the year one was born in, is a bigger indicator than race. It feels as though it be a self-fulfilling prophecy to me. They think race…

Probably, genetic factors for health outcomes aren't exactly some tenuous link. Differential genetic composition of the various races has been shown repeatedly to affect anything from disease risk to drug response.

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I can't count then number of articles I've read since January 6 characterizing conservatism generally as basically racism. Which is fine. Progressives are hurtling toward an Ibram Kendi definition of "racism" and under that definition, pretty much all of conservatism is "racist" in the sense that it's not anti-racist. You're probably not going to correct the structural economic differences between Black and white peo…

If you had simply said that liberals frequently accuse conservative ideas as being racist, I'd have nodded (and not commented). But you said that liberals widely consider opposition to the ACA racist. They do not. Again: you will find someone that said that; we can play that game all night. We have to stop allowing discussions among reasonable people to be hostage to the stupidest things other people have said.

I said, “many liberals consider conservative beliefs to be inherently racist.”

I don’t know if the opposition to the ACA specifically is widely perceived as racist, but the racial dimension was constantly injected into articles on the ACA repeal. (As if Republicans would want to repeal a big new entitlement only because the President who enacted it was Black?) More generally, it’s injected into pretty much every policy debate in the press outlets (Politico, Vox, etc.—which I consider pretty good news sources). Apparently run-off elections are racist. (Somebody should tell almost every country with an elected President.)

I try to filter out stuff I read on tweets, because I think you’re correct that Twitter is highly unrepresentative, but it turns out that those blue check marks on Twitter are also writing on a lot off the outlets that cover policy issues.

As I said, it’s a self-consistent world view, so it’s gaining purchase. It does, however, make policy debate almost impossible. It’s used to attack basic American tenants. Opposing DC statehood, for example, is deemed racist. Forget the deep American tradition of skepticism about the capital, or the increasingly Hunger Games-esque ascension of DC. I strongly suspect most Republicans are more mad about the white bureaucrats working in the federal government getting two Senators on top of running the unelected fourth branch, than anything to do with the (shrinking) Black population. But it’s an effective rhetorical tactic for sure. The Senate is racist. Opposition to public unions is racist. Support for limited government, guns, individualism, free speech, etc. (These are just the real conversations I’ve had with real people.)

I strongly suspect that conservatives aren’t just going to give up on the idea of limited government, or opposing centralized bureaucracy in DC. They’ll just grow a thicker skin with respect to accusations of racism, which is probably a bad thing for everyone.

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If you had simply said that liberals frequently accuse conservative ideas as being racist, I'd have nodded (and not commented). But you said that liberals widely consider opposition to the ACA racist. They do not. Again: you will find someone that said that; we can play that game all night. We have to stop allowing discussions among reasonable people to be hostage to the stupidest things other people have said.

I said, “many liberals consider conservative beliefs to be inherently racist.” I don’t know if the opposition to the ACA specifically is widely perceived as racist, but the racial dimension was constantly injected into articles on the ACA repeal. (As if Republicans would want to repeal a big new entitlement only because the President who enacted it was Black?) More generally, it’s injected into pretty much every poli…

You keep citing things that aren't the ACA that someone at Vox or Politico reported someone said was racist. But I'm stuck on the ACA. It's the example you provided. In reality, no normal person on my side of the aisle thinks that opposition to the ACA is racist, nor do I think you can find credible mainstream Democratic sources saying that. Clearly, there are people who believe everything is racist, but you set a higher bar for that, and I don't think you can clear it.

For what it's worth: I don't want conservatives to give up on the idea of limited government; I think Republicans are right about some things, Democrats about others, and we need both perspectives.

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I was surprised when I learned that this US ethnicity is a self-defined status. This means that me, a blond blue eyed man (and accessorily French) could define myself as Afro-American in the US. His comme this is not wildly used in cases where it gives you an advantage? (such as positive discrimination when entering a university, or for grants,...)

> I was surprised when I learned that this US ethnicity is a self-defined status. This means that me, a blond blue eyed man (and accessorily French) could define myself as Afro-American in the US. That's not really true. You wouldn't be actually able to define yourself as Afro-American in the US, beyond maybe lying on a form (and even that designation would probably be overridden if it mattered). Pretty-much everyone…

> You wouldn't be actually able to define yourself as Afro-American in the US

Please see https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html, and especially "An individual’s response to the race question is based upon self-identification. The Census Bureau does not tell individuals which boxes to mark or what heritage to write in."

The "annoying BS" you mention is people's response to that self-identification, not a legal one.

Re: How Homogeneous Is Japan?

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> In fact, Masayoshi Son IS a Japanese citizen, and the only reason people think of him as being part of the Korean minority is that he’s famous enough that the media looked up and reported his ancestry.

Uh, his last name is Korean which makes it pretty obvious.

This type of base level misunderstanding deeply erodes the credibility of the author.

I agree that there is more diversity in Japan than many realize, but in my experience living there, it's still significantly more homogeneous than similarly prosperous Western countries.

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I’m telling you that black people in America have a culture that is descended from a lot of sources, and you cannot just simplify it as Anglo-Saxon, again because such a wide swath comes from the African diaspora that ignoring that means ignoring its most noticeable aspects. Gospel, jazz, blues, and rap are not descended from any Anglo-Saxon musical tradition, nor are our dances, or many of our foods. American cultur…

> I’m telling you that black people in America have a culture that is descended from a lot of sources, and you cannot just simplify it as Anglo-Saxon, again because such a wide swath comes from the African diaspora that ignoring that means ignoring its most noticeable aspects. Gospel, jazz, blues, and rap are not descended from any Anglo-Saxon musical tradition, nor are our dances, or many of our foods. I looked up t…

This is one of the make disappointing comments I’ve read on HN in awhile. You are literally admitting to being ignorant on the issues being discussed (“I looked up”) and justifying incorrect conclusions based on the results of immature, inaccurate research.

Do you realize the depth of the topics you’re making these claims about?

Re: How Homogeneous Is Japan?

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> I was surprised when I learned that this US ethnicity is a self-defined status. This means that me, a blond blue eyed man (and accessorily French) could define myself as Afro-American in the US. That's not really true. You wouldn't be actually able to define yourself as Afro-American in the US, beyond maybe lying on a form (and even that designation would probably be overridden if it mattered). Pretty-much everyone…

> You wouldn't be actually able to define yourself as Afro-American in the US Please see https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html , and especially "An individual’s response to the race question is based upon self-identification. The Census Bureau does not tell individuals which boxes to mark or what heritage to write in." The "annoying BS" you mention is people's response to that self-identification,…

I don’t think everyone else is using the same definition of “define” as you.
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