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Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000 Living as Slaves

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Re: Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000 Living as Slaves

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post #190

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"The problem is that a lot of those people belong in prison." Why do you think the situation is different in North Korea?

You have got to be kidding me.

Don't people commit crime in North Korea? Or is it just a nation of activists and saints?

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post #69

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It's our way. We do business with China and visit them regularly, even though we know that much of what makes their manufacturing industry so competitive is the use of slave prison labor. It's weird how we decide what people deserve "liberation" and what people we just shrug our shoulders at and keep supporting, in one form or another, the government that is oppressing them.

We do business with China and visit them regularly, even though we know that much of what makes their manufacturing industry so competitive is the use of slave prison labor Though the conditions of labor in China seem shocking to comfortable Americans, they are not, in general, "slave prison labor".

How about this. I visited China last year, and saw/heard about the following.

Say you want to build a new building. The workers are brought to the construction site, and they live on the site 24/7, taking shifts to sleep in a small cot. When they are not sleeping they are working (7 days a week). They do not see their families for months during the job. They work on site for several months, and will only receive pay after the building is done. If you have to leave the site for some reason (say a sick or dying relative, or you get sick yourself) before the building is done, you forfeit all your pay. You could have worked 6 months on a job, and if you hurt yourself, you go home without even $1.

It's a deplorable condition being forced to live where you work. It's a prison, even if voluntary.

Re: Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000 Living as Slaves

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The problem is that visitors require a guide - someone who will hide the true nature of NK to them and ensuring they only see what they are allowed to see. Even though there has been a good amount of hidden camera footage exposed, or articles such as this one - there are plenty of people who may not really be aware of what is really going on there behind the scenes.

Vice Guide has a great documentary available streaming on Netflix. It was so depressing/surreal/horrifying all at once.

Vice Guide was very interesting. He was visiting large tourist sites, and was the only person there. Visited a gift shop, where he was the only person the attendant probably saw that day.

Re: Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000 Living as Slaves

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post #166

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Source for "slave prison labor" in China please.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co... "Using their vast pools of free labour, China's prisons produce everything from green tea to coal, paperclips to footballs, medical gloves to high-grade optical equipment." http://www.goiam.org/index.php/news/iam-news/2007-iam-news-a... "Prison Labor is also being exploited in China, according to executive director of the Laogai Research Foundation Harry…

That is pretty terrible. Thank you for posting your sources.

Re: Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000 Living as Slaves

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post #154

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Please suggest where I can find reliable facts and statistics regarding the conditions in US prisons including violence and rape. Thank you.

As mentioned in another comment, start here: http://justdetention.org/ Then start reading literature from Amnesty International: http://www.amnesty.org/ Despite what people think, AI isn't about any kind of "liberal agenda", they're just about wrongful imprisonment, torture, and basic human rights. That'll get you started in statistics, and then you can start looking for the various Dept. of Correction websites in ea…

"Human rights" is a liberal concept! Paine and Mill were liberals. Without liberalism, the idea of human rights never would have existed. Indeed, you can almost define liberalism as that political philosophy which exalts human rights as the highest good.

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post #70

What I can't understand is how people can visit North Korea and not feel disgusted by giving support for that regime. I believe North Korea is facing another famine this year. Given the conditions in North Korea and the apparent iron grip its regime has on power is it better not to provide food aid? I can't decide for myself if it's better, for the long term, to let the nation starve and not help the people out or to…

Visitors? Don't they only give out like 3000 visas a year?

They turn down very few visas. They give out so few because there are so few applications.
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