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Post by ehsankia »

paxys wrote: post #88
ehsankia wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, are these 1. Devices owned by Amazon, for work 2. Personal devices with the amazon email added directly 3. Personal devices with amazon email added on Work profile Could not find this info in the articles or tweet.

I don't think any mid-large company allows 2 anymore. Access to company resources always comes with an MDM policy.

I think #2 can require MDM still, but one let's them control the entire device, whereas #3 limits them to a section of your phone dedicated to work.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by justicezyx »

qppo wrote: post #158
dragonwriter wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this a space (short social video sharing) that has been filled by a near infinite succession of short-lived dominant offerings and that's pretty much always ready for a new, slightly different flavor of season?

I think they all failed for the same reason, video is expensive and the markets can't pick a winner when the game can't be won without money. But if the Chinese government wants to prop up TikTok and pick them as the winner, they can.

TikTok parent, ByteDance, already owns DouYin, which is the original APP that TikTok was based on, with significant ingestion from Musically. As a matter of fact, TikTok's previous CEO was Musical.ly's founding CEO.

Although it seems the online records are disappearing fast. I could not find a good source of the TikTok history and key figures any more...

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Post by shripadk »

dequalant wrote: post #186
shripadk wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it is political. It is CCP controlled company. How is that hard to imagine? Yes this is a problem of National Security. India was the first to ban these apps. I don't see you having a problem there! But if US does it, it pains you. Why? Is National Security a concern only for Countries except US? Why is US an exception in your argument? If China can ban foreign apps why can't other Countries do the same? I don't…

With your logic, FB and Twitter has strong ties with US government and controlled by them. Should all countries ban, attack and try to eliminate FB and Twitter from their markets?

"Controlled by them". This is so wrong! If the US Government controls FB and Twitter you wouldn't have FB censoring Trump ads and Twitter attaching its own fact check opinions on Trump's tweets. By all evidence you have FB and Twitter functioning completely independent of the US Government. Does it share data with the US Government based on some legal requirement? Yes it does. As long as the requirement is legal. I am against social media companies as well but for the completely opposite reason. I believe social media companies are acting as Supra-National Governments and they have powers to influence that even National Governments (like the US in this case) do not have. They can literally alter the political discourse and no one can do anything about it. Not even the US Government. I have expressed my opinions about social media here which you can read for yourself [1]

Don't be surprised if there is a ban on FB and Twitter by other countries too! But not for the reasons you mentioned. The reason would be undue political interference if there is evidence of the same.

But TikTok is not like FB or Twitter. The parent company ByteDance has direct affiliation with CCP. They have an actual agreement in place where they will share any and every data with the CCP even without any legal basis. This is not the case in the US. The US Government has to get a court order to get information from FB or Twitter.

Here is a quote from Twitter's Law Enforcement page [2]:

"Private information requires a subpoena or court order

Non-public information about Twitter users will not be released to law enforcement except in response to appropriate legal process such as a subpoena, court order, or other valid legal process – or in response to a valid emergency request, as described below."

And if the US Government wants communications details it needs to obtain a Search warrant [2]:

"Contents of communications requires a search warrant

Requests for the contents of communications (e.g., Tweets, Direct Messages, photos) require a valid search warrant or equivalent from an agency with proper jurisdiction over Twitter."

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23774779

[2]: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-law-e...

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Post by nemothekid »

vorpalhex wrote: post #137
dvt wrote: post #109

Looks like TikTok is slowly imploding. I know there's plenty of political implications and a lot of discussion here is on that (which is interesting in its own right), but I wonder if there's opportunity here for a potential competitor.

Between this and streamers such as Ninja talking against the app, I do hope this signals the death knell for tik tok...

I imagine Ninja has an incredibly low overlap with the teens that use TikTok.

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Post by a13n »

vesche wrote: post #201
a13n wrote: post #172

I feel like this TikTok backlash is so overblown. I don't think TikTok is spying on US consumers/business, and I don't think TikTok is sharing any US private data with CCP... I believe this because there's no evidence to the contrary, and out of principle you shouldn't assume malintent. In fact, TikTok explicitly left Hong Kong because if they didn't they would have to share private data with CCP to comply with new l…

Some light reading: https://rufposten.de/blog/2019/12/05/privacy-analysis-of-tik... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QEyWqAiTE_5xzCs_X3tjDCQx... https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tiktoks-owner-is-helpin... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/video-app-linked-to-china... https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-is-the-latest-window-into... https://thehill.…

I just read/skimmed each of these links.

Is this any less data than is collected by Facebook or Google in their apps/websites?

This seems like mostly an issue with the fact that Android lets apps get at this much data - something that should be fixed at the OS-level. There's very little mention of similar practices/vulnerabilities on iOS.

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Post by Spoom »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #59
ziddoap wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll admit I don't know the specifics beyond what was tweeted. I'm with you though... If an employer wants to manage my device, they can provide the device.

When I worked at Google over 5 years ago, mobile device options for accessing company accounts were a company-provided and company-owned device with a company-paid phone bill, a personal device with company-provided mobile device management (and sometimes cell phone bill expensing if you for example had on-call duties), a personal device with only limited browser-based work account access, and no account access via m…

Nowadays, at least on Android (though I think iOS has something similar now?), one can have a work profile, and the employer can only control activity in / monitor / wipe that profile. Most employers have switched to that for personal devices.

Disclaimer: Googler, opinions my own.

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Post by scohesc »

a13n wrote: post #172

I feel like this TikTok backlash is so overblown. I don't think TikTok is spying on US consumers/business, and I don't think TikTok is sharing any US private data with CCP... I believe this because there's no evidence to the contrary, and out of principle you shouldn't assume malintent. In fact, TikTok explicitly left Hong Kong because if they didn't they would have to share private data with CCP to comply with new l…

It's been admitted that tiktok actively suppresses content on peoples front pages that include visibly disabled users, "ugly" users, fat users, etc. etc. - anything that makes their image look "bad" in their eyes.

Kind of goes against current shoe-horned American societal values of "everyone should be respected, regardless of who, what, how, when, where they are"

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Post by vkou »

ac29 wrote: post #129
vkou wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The threat model of the US government, or a US company spying on a US citizen is, to the citizen, about as harmful as the Chinese government spying on them. Actually moreso, in the case of the US government.

There is no reason for the US government to do industrial espionage on US companies. China might not be doing it either (via TikTok, at least), but it does have a motive.

No, but there's reason for the US government to spy on you, if you are a problem person.

Why do you assume industrial espionage is the sole reason for a government to spy on you?

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

nemothekid wrote: post #214
vorpalhex wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Between this and streamers such as Ninja talking against the app, I do hope this signals the death knell for tik tok...

I imagine Ninja has an incredibly low overlap with the teens that use TikTok.

Tiktok does have gaming content, although I have no idea how to quantify how popular it is.
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