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Post by lovich »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #114
lovich wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding another anecdote, when I said I did not want to let work control my mobile phone, my boss told me I could figure out whether I wanted to keep the job or not

Switch jobs! Environments like that will grind down your soul. Or at least they did for mine. Perhaps I'm projecting a little, but: please don't feel like you're stuck there. It's an illusion more often than not.

Perhaps when I was younger I would, and did, switch jobs immediately when something like that came up. I've gotten older and the cost of switching jobs is not zero for me anymore

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Post by a13n »

I feel like this TikTok backlash is so overblown. I don't think TikTok is spying on US consumers/business, and I don't think TikTok is sharing any US private data with CCP... I believe this because there's no evidence to the contrary, and out of principle you shouldn't assume malintent.

In fact, TikTok explicitly left Hong Kong because if they didn't they would have to share private data with CCP to comply with new laws... they're intentionally leaving MAU on the table to keep their users' data safe. [1]

If you look around, US social companies are making the same mistake with your clipboard data that TikTok did. LinkedIn just got caught reading your clipboard data [2], but we aren't talking about banning them... I would assume in all of these cases, it's just an engineer who accidentally shipped a bug. There are legitimate use cases to read the clipboard (eg. more seamless 2fa).

It feels like the negative reaction to TikTok is so politicized and just comes from a "China bad" attitude.

[1]: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/tech/tiktok-leaving-hong-kong...

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23716451

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by what_ever »

goalieca wrote: post #154
dvt wrote: post #109

Looks like TikTok is slowly imploding. I know there's plenty of political implications and a lot of discussion here is on that (which is interesting in its own right), but I wonder if there's opportunity here for a potential competitor.

You mean like vine? Twitter bought it and killed it. The founder moved on to launch Byte https://www.byte.co/

Vine was different. I just posted this on another thread couple of days ago.

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Vine was 6 second long video clips. Comparing Vine to TikTok is somewhat like comparing TikTok to YouTube videos. They are different.

Lot of TikTok popularity has come from offering songs/lip syncing functionality (done better by their acquisition of musica.ly). That wouldn't have worked on 6 second Vines.

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Post by puranjay »

swyx wrote: post #163
bigtones wrote: post #155

Jeff Bezos, Amazon CEO, got his phone hacked and embarrassing text messages stolen off it from a vulnerability in the video parsing library in WhatsApp in a message sent to him by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in 2018. So Amazon as a company is now very sensitive to what applications are installed on staff devices and how data on those devices can be extracted from vulnerabilities in other installed apps. Th…

is the jury still out on whether MBS knowingly sent him that hack? that is, not to put too fine a point on it, a fast path to becoming even more of an international pariah than he already is

I fail to see any situation where MBS would be an international pariah while still controlling Saudi Arabia

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Post by centv »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #124
dvt wrote: post #109

Looks like TikTok is slowly imploding. I know there's plenty of political implications and a lot of discussion here is on that (which is interesting in its own right), but I wonder if there's opportunity here for a potential competitor.

What does tiktok have that IG stories or SnapChat does not provide? It appears to me that TikTok is just a perpetuation of exclusivity in Social Networks (the same way kids exited FB when their parents signed up) ...

TikTok seems to be more specialized on addictiveness: auto-play unlimited stream of short videos. It's all about removing friction, and TikTok has a good recommendation system.

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Post by geogra4 »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #157
geogra4 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence always goes back to that adrian zenz fraud. I don't believe it.

Could you clarify what you don't believe? You don't believe that "Vocational Education and Training Centers" exist, or you don't believe that they are internment camps, or you do believe in them existing but don't believe in the scale of how many hundreds of thousands of people have been in them?

>> that "Vocational Education and Training Centers" exist

Yes - they exist. Kind of like community colleges exist.

>> you don't believe that they are internment camps

I don't and neither do muslim majority countries all over the world including UAE, Eritrea, Sudan, Pakistan, and Algeria, among others[0]

0: https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/which-countries-are-for-or-a...

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Post by shripadk »

dequalant wrote: post #162
Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a flawed stance to have on this. There are plenty of popular apps used in the US from other countries. Spotify immediately comes to mind, and they're not controlled by the CCP, an added bonus.

Yes but none of those apps make their way to top 10, dont they? US works this way. They eliminate whatever not originating from their own companies. TikTok is very clear example of this. Give me a break about "Security concerns". Everyone knows that whats happening around TikTok is political.

Yes it is political. It is CCP controlled company. How is that hard to imagine? Yes this is a problem of National Security. India was the first to ban these apps. I don't see you having a problem there! But if US does it, it pains you. Why? Is National Security a concern only for Countries except US? Why is US an exception in your argument? If China can ban foreign apps why can't other Countries do the same? I don't understand your logic at all!

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Post by pishpash »

adventured wrote: post #92
jlarocco wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, not to defend Tik-Tok, China, or spyware in general, but it's ironic that nobody has a problem with Google, Facebook, and other American companies tracking everything people do, but when a Chinese company starts doing it, it's suddenly a big problem. But then again, TikTok probably doesn't answer their subpoenas...

There's nothing complicated or unusual about it. It's not ironic either. China is increasingly an adversary to the US. That context is going to get a lot worse this decade. TikTok is owned by a Chinese company and ultimately must (and will) answer to China. Facebook, Google, et al. are of course American companies. For a nation, whether Facebook concerns you as much as TikTok depends largely on which side you're on (…

Unfortunately, the so-called "liberal side" is going for all the tools like censorship and banning, state interference in the corporate sector, and more that it berates the other side about, so there is no moral case here, just pure tribalism. Actually the "liberal side" invented all these tools but has had a vastly better propaganda machine and hides under the cover of due process and procedural justice that never seem to deliver actual justice to the people most in need of it. I'm glad the world is getting to see the naked body of the "liberal side" under Trump.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by J5892 »

dequalant wrote: post #167
J5892 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we're not a totalitarian state built on the backbone of censorship and information control. Yet.

You are already. You are trying all possible ways to destroy TikTok.

Explain
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