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Did they just charge her a quarter of a million dollars for refusing to speak. What a crock of thuggy shit justice department.

She was granted immunity for testimony. Had she testified, instead of willfully ignoring the court, she would not have been held in contempt.

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Land of the free, home of the brave.

Especially given its current leadership, I often turn away jobs of more than two times my salary - in USD (I live in Canada) - to avoid living in America. That Trump ever got elected - or was ever seriously considered as a candidate - tells me that enough of the the population is seriously disturbed that I’d like nothing to do with it. And then there’s the war atrocities...

imagine making up a story like this to virtue signal how much you hate trump, meanwhile she is imprisoned under obama doj and released under trump doj

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If you know their motives, would you please be kind enough to share them with us? As an outsider it is kind of hard to see through superficial news posts.

I don't but they're generally disadvantaged people or from places with a bleak economic future. So it's probably something to do with that. Maybe feeling left behind and looked down on by the rest of the country? Emotional reasons like that are very commonly reasons for people being unable to see the other's point of view. They don't articulate easily and don't translate into simple measures like money.

How great must someone's economic prospects be before to earn before it's no longer OK to be homophobic, racist, xenophobic and voting and voting for someone cynically exploit their ignorance?

How is their misery somehow a reason that makes them required to vote for not just a Republican no matter what but the worst possible one who is not even a conservative but looks our for absolutely no one's interests on any side except his own fame and wealth?

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Manning and Assange must eat the stick so the rest of the people learn not to mess with the Authority. Must make sure that no journalist dares to even touch any future leak. Dare I remind that Greenwald has a capture order in Brasil.

Really? I thought the whole idea of free "free" was that people do mess with the Authority to keep it in check.

That is the idea. They're saying that, in practice, the Authority is anti-freedom, and freedom is the enemy.

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I’ve said it before but the idea of secret courts trying to coerce people into doing things seems extremely backwards and regressive. Maybe I don’t understand this system but it doesn’t seem to be about getting justice. If there is testimony already given as well it seems doubly wrong, inconsistent and hateful.

You would prefer that prosecutors be able to indict people without any checks? Grand jury proceedings are secret to protect the innocent.

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Especially given its current leadership, I often turn away jobs of more than two times my salary - in USD (I live in Canada) - to avoid living in America. That Trump ever got elected - or was ever seriously considered as a candidate - tells me that enough of the the population is seriously disturbed that I’d like nothing to do with it. And then there’s the war atrocities...

You do realize she was jailed and charged under Obama right? This was the President that was supposed to shine a light on corruption and protect whistleblowers when they first campaigned. The joke here is you think there's that much of a difference. One acts bad and does bad things, the other acts good and does bad things. The only difference is the media loved the last one and hates the new one.

The media hates this one and millions/millions do too because they can't think for themselves. They just plug their heads into the media of their choice Fox News, CNN and MSNBC and get fired up while they make millions/billions.

Further even Pelosi in her speech today wasn't having any of the media's crap where she basically says we are working together on this no need to make it anymore then that. Good one Pelosi.

Also is there a guide to follow on how to deal with the coronavirus?

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If you know their motives, would you please be kind enough to share them with us? As an outsider it is kind of hard to see through superficial news posts.

As a Democrat-voting libertarian with very Republican family, I think Jonathan Pie encapsulated it perfectly just a few days after the election: https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs The truly sad part is that the Democratic party seemingly hasn't learned anything in the last four years, and are well on their way to dooming us to another four years of Trump.

The Democrats may well fail to rescue the nation from Trump, but the responsibility lies first with the man himself, his party of late, and his supporters who have no problem with the vile behavior and ignorance he proudly displays every day.

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>Ukraine stuff ?

The whole affair with Biden's son in a board position and Biden interfering in the investigation of the company according to testimony in a Ukrainian court. It's what Trump was discussing on the phone call he was impeached over. People try and call it a conspiracy now, but unless you want to say the NYT deals in conspiracies (they do actually, but in this case): https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/world/europe/corrupt…

You're not wrong, but it's amazing that on the one side you have one VP son's enjoying some sweet nepotism and on the other you have an entire family, but somehow Biden is worse because everyone just expects and excepts that the Trumps are corrupt so it doesn't matter. And of course the electorate can't find a third alternative.

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She was a whistleblower, hence everyone with a hint of credibility saying she was. Also, it's customary on HN to point out when you have a conflict of interest. You work for a military contractor & used to work for the government, and probably should disclose that when talking about a subject so closely tied to your work.

> You work for a military contractor & used to work for the government, and probably should disclose that when talking about a subject so closely tied to your work. How do you know that? I don't see anything in their profile. Was it a post that they made?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21583369

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22081500

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Certainly the previous comment was conflating things that happened in the past with what's happening how. I was sometimes disappointed with the reality of the Obama presidency, like may others. But this comment is just ridiculous. From the policies, to the personal conduct, to their respect or lack thereof for the rule of law, the two administrations and the actions of the two in and out of office are wildly differen…

This is the part where I remind people that Obama drone striked a 16 year old US citizen without trial in a non active war zone and a cafe full of civilians because someone bad might be there (and wasn't so just killed a bunch of innocent people). That's a war crime tantamount to murder. You're right in some respects Obama is worse. I definitely feel like I could have a beer with him, but fuck me if he didn't do thin…

Meanwhile, the parent poster was talking about not wanting to move to the US, and this isn't much of a contradictory statement on those lines.
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