Did they just charge her a quarter of a million dollars for refusing to speak. What a crock of thuggy shit justice department.
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Land of the free, home of the brave.
Especially given its current leadership, I often turn away jobs of more than two times my salary - in USD (I live in Canada) - to avoid living in America. That Trump ever got elected - or was ever seriously considered as a candidate - tells me that enough of the the population is seriously disturbed that I’d like nothing to do with it. And then there’s the war atrocities...
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If you know their motives, would you please be kind enough to share them with us? As an outsider it is kind of hard to see through superficial news posts.
I don't but they're generally disadvantaged people or from places with a bleak economic future. So it's probably something to do with that. Maybe feeling left behind and looked down on by the rest of the country? Emotional reasons like that are very commonly reasons for people being unable to see the other's point of view. They don't articulate easily and don't translate into simple measures like money.
How is their misery somehow a reason that makes them required to vote for not just a Republican no matter what but the worst possible one who is not even a conservative but looks our for absolutely no one's interests on any side except his own fame and wealth?
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Manning and Assange must eat the stick so the rest of the people learn not to mess with the Authority. Must make sure that no journalist dares to even touch any future leak. Dare I remind that Greenwald has a capture order in Brasil.
Really? I thought the whole idea of free "free" was that people do mess with the Authority to keep it in check.
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#215I’ve said it before but the idea of secret courts trying to coerce people into doing things seems extremely backwards and regressive. Maybe I don’t understand this system but it doesn’t seem to be about getting justice. If there is testimony already given as well it seems doubly wrong, inconsistent and hateful.
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Especially given its current leadership, I often turn away jobs of more than two times my salary - in USD (I live in Canada) - to avoid living in America. That Trump ever got elected - or was ever seriously considered as a candidate - tells me that enough of the the population is seriously disturbed that I’d like nothing to do with it. And then there’s the war atrocities...
You do realize she was jailed and charged under Obama right? This was the President that was supposed to shine a light on corruption and protect whistleblowers when they first campaigned. The joke here is you think there's that much of a difference. One acts bad and does bad things, the other acts good and does bad things. The only difference is the media loved the last one and hates the new one.
Further even Pelosi in her speech today wasn't having any of the media's crap where she basically says we are working together on this no need to make it anymore then that. Good one Pelosi.
Also is there a guide to follow on how to deal with the coronavirus?
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If you know their motives, would you please be kind enough to share them with us? As an outsider it is kind of hard to see through superficial news posts.
As a Democrat-voting libertarian with very Republican family, I think Jonathan Pie encapsulated it perfectly just a few days after the election: https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs The truly sad part is that the Democratic party seemingly hasn't learned anything in the last four years, and are well on their way to dooming us to another four years of Trump.
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>Ukraine stuff ?
The whole affair with Biden's son in a board position and Biden interfering in the investigation of the company according to testimony in a Ukrainian court. It's what Trump was discussing on the phone call he was impeached over. People try and call it a conspiracy now, but unless you want to say the NYT deals in conspiracies (they do actually, but in this case): https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/world/europe/corrupt…
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She was a whistleblower, hence everyone with a hint of credibility saying she was. Also, it's customary on HN to point out when you have a conflict of interest. You work for a military contractor & used to work for the government, and probably should disclose that when talking about a subject so closely tied to your work.
> You work for a military contractor & used to work for the government, and probably should disclose that when talking about a subject so closely tied to your work. How do you know that? I don't see anything in their profile. Was it a post that they made?
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Certainly the previous comment was conflating things that happened in the past with what's happening how. I was sometimes disappointed with the reality of the Obama presidency, like may others. But this comment is just ridiculous. From the policies, to the personal conduct, to their respect or lack thereof for the rule of law, the two administrations and the actions of the two in and out of office are wildly differen…
This is the part where I remind people that Obama drone striked a 16 year old US citizen without trial in a non active war zone and a cafe full of civilians because someone bad might be there (and wasn't so just killed a bunch of innocent people). That's a war crime tantamount to murder. You're right in some respects Obama is worse. I definitely feel like I could have a beer with him, but fuck me if he didn't do thin…