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Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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lopmotr wrote: post #173
lostgame wrote: post #161

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Especially given its current leadership, I often turn away jobs of more than two times my salary - in USD (I live in Canada) - to avoid living in America. That Trump ever got elected - or was ever seriously considered as a candidate - tells me that enough of the the population is seriously disturbed that I’d like nothing to do with it. And then there’s the war atrocities...

Before you write off 50 million people as "seriously disturbed", you should find out their motives. Not the cherry-picked mockery of them you see on social media, but their more common motives. To make such a crude judgement as you did, you have to be ignoring some huge factor. If you conclude that factor is "they're stupid" or "they're evil", then you haven't found it. This applies generally to many controversial id…

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Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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Post by ngcc_hk »

laxd wrote: post #119
einpoklum wrote: post #103

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Important: That link is _not_ intended for donations towards paying the fine, but rather Ms. Manning's legal defense!

Whats the difference? She needs x amounts of money.

Guess be can only pay the fees and the other more general. Paying criminal fees is a bit no no.

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Post by KungFuJohnny »

bsanr2 wrote: post #179
lopmotr wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before you write off 50 million people as "seriously disturbed", you should find out their motives. Not the cherry-picked mockery of them you see on social media, but their more common motives. To make such a crude judgement as you did, you have to be ignoring some huge factor. If you conclude that factor is "they're stupid" or "they're evil", then you haven't found it. This applies generally to many controversial id…

Black American here. We know their motives. Still ain't pretty.

Black American Trump supporter here. Care to share what you think my motives are?

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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Post by dboreham »

surge wrote: post #177
joshgachnang wrote: post #168

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Congress already had the judicial branch confirm they have the power to hold people in contempt, but they didn't use that power in this case. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurney_v._MacCracken

So do it again. Honestly though, I think the impeachment just pointed out the Ukraine stuff about as much as it pointed out Trump's phone call shenanigans, it wasn't good for them politically to keep at it, his approval rating was going up and he was raising tons of money during it. It was backfiring politically for them, the majority of the public wasn't interested (especially after the Russia thing coming up empty,…

>Ukraine stuff

?

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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Post by lopmotr »

bsanr2 wrote: post #179
lopmotr wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before you write off 50 million people as "seriously disturbed", you should find out their motives. Not the cherry-picked mockery of them you see on social media, but their more common motives. To make such a crude judgement as you did, you have to be ignoring some huge factor. If you conclude that factor is "they're stupid" or "they're evil", then you haven't found it. This applies generally to many controversial id…

Black American here. We know their motives. Still ain't pretty.

What are they?

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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Post by Causality1 »

aeyes wrote: post #175
lopmotr wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before you write off 50 million people as "seriously disturbed", you should find out their motives. Not the cherry-picked mockery of them you see on social media, but their more common motives. To make such a crude judgement as you did, you have to be ignoring some huge factor. If you conclude that factor is "they're stupid" or "they're evil", then you haven't found it. This applies generally to many controversial id…

If you know their motives, would you please be kind enough to share them with us? As an outsider it is kind of hard to see through superficial news posts.

As a Democrat-voting libertarian with very Republican family, I think Jonathan Pie encapsulated it perfectly just a few days after the election: https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

The truly sad part is that the Democratic party seemingly hasn't learned anything in the last four years, and are well on their way to dooming us to another four years of Trump.

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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Post by KungFuJohnny »

aeyes wrote: post #175
lopmotr wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before you write off 50 million people as "seriously disturbed", you should find out their motives. Not the cherry-picked mockery of them you see on social media, but their more common motives. To make such a crude judgement as you did, you have to be ignoring some huge factor. If you conclude that factor is "they're stupid" or "they're evil", then you haven't found it. This applies generally to many controversial id…

If you know their motives, would you please be kind enough to share them with us? As an outsider it is kind of hard to see through superficial news posts.

It's not hard to discover their motives if you really want to know. We aren't trying to keep it a secret.

It's too bad I am 99.9% certain you just want to argue, so I won't waste my time.

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Post by TomMckenny »

lopmotr wrote: post #173
lostgame wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially given its current leadership, I often turn away jobs of more than two times my salary - in USD (I live in Canada) - to avoid living in America. That Trump ever got elected - or was ever seriously considered as a candidate - tells me that enough of the the population is seriously disturbed that I’d like nothing to do with it. And then there’s the war atrocities...

Before you write off 50 million people as "seriously disturbed", you should find out their motives. Not the cherry-picked mockery of them you see on social media, but their more common motives. To make such a crude judgement as you did, you have to be ignoring some huge factor. If you conclude that factor is "they're stupid" or "they're evil", then you haven't found it. This applies generally to many controversial id…

They're not disturbed, they just want a strongman to force their will on the majority.

Namely, a white evangelical centered America held against the majority will by the electoral college and gerrymandering or even a one party state and foreign assistance if necessary.

Although, since today's Fox narrative is that the corona virus is a lie spread by democrats and the "ling media" to make Trump look bad, maybe "disturbed" is correct word.

Re: Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]

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Post by lopmotr »

aeyes wrote: post #175
lopmotr wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before you write off 50 million people as "seriously disturbed", you should find out their motives. Not the cherry-picked mockery of them you see on social media, but their more common motives. To make such a crude judgement as you did, you have to be ignoring some huge factor. If you conclude that factor is "they're stupid" or "they're evil", then you haven't found it. This applies generally to many controversial id…

If you know their motives, would you please be kind enough to share them with us? As an outsider it is kind of hard to see through superficial news posts.

I don't but they're generally disadvantaged people or from places with a bleak economic future. So it's probably something to do with that. Maybe feeling left behind and looked down on by the rest of the country? Emotional reasons like that are very commonly reasons for people being unable to see the other's point of view. They don't articulate easily and don't translate into simple measures like money.
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