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When did 60% become the entire beef industry?
Nobody said it would go away 100%. But it may become a niche product, like foie gras.
Did you RTFA article? It is titled "The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry"!
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had a highschool teacher who was vegetarian and would extol its health benefits. She was obese. Not being meat doesn't mean healthy by default. This misconception is becoming as bad as preferring "0 fat, replaced with loads of sugar".
Keep in mind that a vegetarian diet can mean a diet high in grains. Grains will definitely fatten you up if you're not careful on the amount you eat.
There are so many people that use the "look at this obese vegetarian!" strawman. Does anyone legitimately think a diet of Oreos and Gatorade is healthy? No. Is it vegetarian? Yes.
Processed foods are the majority of the issue. Not "grains". Carbohydrates are not the devil here, yet people dance around it in so many ways.
Try this...
Most processed foods have a high carb to fiber ratio. That's bad. It's also a leading indicator that those products (not whole foods) have a bunch of added sugar and/of fat. The ratio should be lower than 10:1 (carb to fiber) [0]. Many state 5:1 is what you should shoot for. But so many overlook how carbs are good. Fruits and vegetables are loaded with carbs and fiber. Most people don't think 5 grams of broccoli carbs are bad for you, but it's obvious when you compare those 5 grams from broccoli to 5 grams of carbs from Oreos. For reference:
Broccoli: 91g (1 cup) contains 6g of carb and 2.4g of fiber. No fat and 1.5g of natural sugars.
Oreos: 34g of cookies (3) has 25g of carbs and 0.5g of fiber. One wouldn't be surprised to hear those cookies contain 7g of fat and 14g of added sugar.
So, no... Being a processed food "vegetarian" isn't healthy and it's a crappy argument vs a "vegetarian" eating whole foods under a plant heavy/focused diet.
Finally, most don't know that each gram of fiber cancels out each checked gram of carbs with regard to sugars. High fiber diets are crucial to sugar regulation. And this is crucial to diabetics, but not many are taught. [1]
[0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-trick-to-recognizing... [1] https://dtc.ucsf.edu/living-with-diabetes/diet-and-nutrition...
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Not all beef is consumed as ground beef. Happy?
The author mentions that 60% of it is...
That sounded a bit high, so digging around I found a source that in the U.S. Ground beef is 40% of the beef market, which makes sense given our obsession with burgers, but in the rest of the world, I doubt that the share is so high.
https://beef2live.com/story-ground-beef-united-states-0-1043...
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#214I am going to stick with bison, thank you!
How is bison? I had a bison burger once and didn't care for it, but maybe a steak cut is better?
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I've had a beyond meat burger, I'm curious to hear the opinion of others that have had one too because I thought it tasted terrible . The texture was nothing like real ground beef and neither was the flavour. It wasn't good different either - I'd much rather have a regular bean burger. I feel like it's all marketing and they're just riding the hype wave caused by other better products or peoples desire for one. (I as…
I've had the impossible burger on multiple occasions. Every time I've had it, it felt like whoever cooked it either didn't care or was trying to present the burger as basically as possible to try to demo it as a discrete product. The trouble is, that's not how anyone over the age of 10 actually eats any kind of burger, so it's not really a fair presentation. If you actually season it (it absolutely needs salt and pep…
I'm a burger purist - lightly toasted then steamed bun, patty with the right fat content (and no additions, just salt and pepper) - not too lean - either smashed thin or a bit thicker and medium/medium rare, processed cheese (it really is the best on burgers, although swiss is nice too I guess), some kind of "special sauce" (even if it's just ketchup and mayo), diced raw white onion, dill pickle slices and lettuce.
Most places can't perfect the basics, but have some kind of truffle oil, bacon, foie gras (I'm exaggerating for effect a bit here) monstrosity on the menu to compensate.
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>> I really cannot believe we eat animals I don't understand this. We are animals. Why is it specially prohibited to us that we eat other animals? Note also that, as animals, we are not plant-eaters: we can't survive on plant matter alone. We are made [1] to eat other animals. We are omnivores, yes? So why is it unethical for us, specifically, to eat other animals when it's not unethical for other animals? __________…
> So why is it unethical for us, specifically, to eat other animals when it's not unethical for other animals? You almost answered your own question. "Unethical" is a foreign concept for animals because they don't even have ethics. Humans do, and these ethics have implications for how you should or should not treat other sentient life.
Yes, we have ethics. But what is it that makes eating other animals unethical, so that our ethics may stop us from doing so?
There has to be some kind of justification for the moral judgement that "eating other animals is unethical". And that justification cannot be "eating other animals is unethical", itself.
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Could just be the veggie burger has less fat. Fat/oil keeps you satiated. But it's always easier to add more oil to a veggie burger, than it is to make a meat burger lean.
I thought protein was better for satiation than fat?
Fat is more satiating per gram, but protein is more satiating per calorie.
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>> I really cannot believe we eat animals I don't understand this. We are animals. Why is it specially prohibited to us that we eat other animals? Note also that, as animals, we are not plant-eaters: we can't survive on plant matter alone. We are made [1] to eat other animals. We are omnivores, yes? So why is it unethical for us, specifically, to eat other animals when it's not unethical for other animals? __________…
couple issues with this post: - it's trivial to find a class of animals that doesn't eat flesh (e.g. elephant) so i'm assuming you meant to say omnivore here - evolution doesn't "make" things in that way. it could be that it provided an advantage, it could be that it is bound to something else that provided an advantage, or it could be completely coincidental. for example, suppose our optimal setup is eating 100% fre…
I don't understand. I did say "omnivores".
"Make" is a metaphor. I just don't like to use the turn of phrase "we evolved to do X" because it leads to just-so stories. And it's common to use vague evolutionary arguments to try and support all sorts of personal opinions: "We evolved to do X so we should not do Y", etc.
The point is that we are an animal that eats other animals and plants. I don't think that this is any more controversial than saying that a tiger is an animal that eats other animals and a sheep is an animal that eats grasses.
So, as animals that eat other animals and plants- what is wrong with us eating other animals?
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#219I'm starting to think more and more that people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger. If the main concern is environment I get it and go for it. But if you are claiming that plant based burgers are healthier or tastier you are borderline delusional. Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just in…
Interesting and biased perspective. As others have pointed out, you didn't get most of the facts right. Did you just decide to make things up as you started typing? The assertion that "people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger" doesn't apply to everyone. For reference: I have over 20 years under my belt of cooking all types of meat. As of 3 years ago my so…
Please don't cross into personal attack on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Your comment would be fine without that first bit.
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#220Stop eating animals? No? Ok so you’re cool with paying for someone to torture and kill an animal for a meal you’ll forget in minutes. That’s Fucked up but surely you care about the environment and how animal agriculture is the single biggest thing you can do to preserve what we have left of this world. No? Wow so you’re incredibly selfish and and lack empathy. Impressive. I guess then without a doubt you care about y…
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN.