I’ve got a beef with this article. I can probably only consider the end of the beef industry getting near when: a. There are more people I see opting for the plant based food, instead of beef; b. When there’s really a shortage of cattle that produces or slaughtered as beef. There’s a moral aspect of eating plant based foods, but I cannot see anyone transitioning easily from animal based meat products to select plant-…
The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?
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#112I'm excited for meat alternatives, but have 3 thoughts on them that I haven't seen mentioned yet (I'm 42): * Nearly all of the rangeland and high desert in the western US was destroyed by cattle and sheep grazing over the past 150 years. This is a billion dollar industry with the emotional buy-in of millions of people so I'm skeptical that it will be reformed in our lifetimes. * My digestive system got wrecked trying…
Do you have a citation for this? I've never heard anything like it before.
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#113I'm starting to think more and more that people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger. If the main concern is environment I get it and go for it. But if you are claiming that plant based burgers are healthier or tastier you are borderline delusional. Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just in…
I have become a 80% vegetarian by now and I feel great doing it. That said, I 100% agree with you. You can definitively be a vegetarian and die of heart disease eating that kind of replica food.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Healthier is not the same as healthy . Better for you is not the same as good for you . Eating a burger with less cheese is better for you and healthier, all other things equal, but very well may still not be good for you or a healthy choice overall compared to some other food entirely. In the end, if the faux-burger is healthier for you than the real one, it's a net positive to switch to it if you eat the same amoun…
Thank you for explaining the intricacies of -y vs. -ier. I will go back and add ier to my comment. Just a question though, would their claim of "IMPROVING HUMAN HEALTH" fall under - ier or - y ? https://www.beyondmeat.com/about/
Some might view the -ier style statements as weasely or waffling, but it's also the most responsible way to describe most foods in my opinion, as there's often just a matter os scale that tips something from healthy to not (or outright dangerous, even). An orange is a healthy snack if you can make use of the vitamin C and don't already have an overabundance of sugar. If you don't need vitamin C or already consume a lot of sugar, there are probably better sources of vitamin C and an orange might not really be a healthy choice.
Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?
#115I'm starting to think more and more that people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger. If the main concern is environment I get it and go for it. But if you are claiming that plant based burgers are healthier or tastier you are borderline delusional. Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just in…
The assertion that "people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger" doesn't apply to everyone. For reference: I have over 20 years under my belt of cooking all types of meat. As of 3 years ago my sous vide was a commonly used component in cooking. I owned multiple types of grills depending on what I was cooking (pellet and ceramic - still own the latter). I invested thousands of dollars in the art of cooking meat. I studied cooking techniques and styles, took classes, and I would commit copious amounts of time cooking different meats. Overnight pork shoulder cooks to get juicy, buttery pulled pork. 5+ hours (including setup) for perfect ribs. A handful of filets vacuumed in various herbs and spices and cooked in the sous vide for half a day to be finished with a 500F sear on the back end for a perfect finish. I haven't eaten any white or red meat for over two years now and don't miss any of it.
Is there a gap that hasn't been filled fully, as of yet? Sure. But like I said - I don't miss it. When I have a taste for "meat" I turn to Impossible and Beyond Meat now. The article (which it appears you didn't actually read) does a good job of summing up the difference between the two. Although I will argue that the Beyond Meat products aren't as bad as the author states.
And yes, these products are "processed" - but they also don't make up the majority of what I consume week over week either. Comparatively meats are more processed than most think and from slaughter to table that process involves a whole lot more risk with regard to a tainted product. And let's not forget what people buy frozen in the store that somehow passes as "ground beef". Can you still get legitimate options on that side of the red meat aisle? Sure, but as the article states that's not butcher ground blends of the stuff you want in your ground beef. It's all the remnants you don't in a slurry of chemicals to kill off the things you don't want to be ingesting.
Your last point misses the point. While I will agree that there are some fantastic veggie burgers out there Beyond and Impossible aren't going after that market. That's not their target. But, maybe, in the transition to alt meats we gain some new perspective on trying those, and maybe that ends up being a stepping stone to further, better choices for both health and environmental reasons.
Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?
#116I'm starting to think more and more that people promoting plant based burgers have either never tasted beef or never tasted a plant based burger. If the main concern is environment I get it and go for it. But if you are claiming that plant based burgers are healthier or tastier you are borderline delusional. Last time I cooked a Beyond Meat burger I noticed it was 30% canola oil. 30% CANOLA OIL, might as well just in…
Agree that it's not as healthy as eating less processed plant based foods, however I don't think anyone is going to Burger King or White Castle expecting that. But are these plant burgers actually claiming or marketing themselves as healthy? The only places I have seen them served are in restaurants and bars alongside burgers and unhealthy bar food - which I think you might be surprised is a big chunk of many people'…
In the short term, I consider them healthier because of that, but I certainly don't think that processed foods are healthy in the long term, regardless of whether or not they contain animal products.
Source: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/link-red-meat-cancer-need...
Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?
#117The naysayers in the comment thread are missing the understanding that the fundamental technologies driving this are all moving exponentially. Beyond Meat's innovation came from a Stanford professor who is an expert in RNA molecules (he helped them figure out their protein structure/selection), impossible foods is a synthetic biology company. Exponential techs always underwhelm in the beginning but soon deliver more…
But what exactly is an exponentially superior food?
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have become a 80% vegetarian by now and I feel great doing it. That said, I 100% agree with you. You can definitively be a vegetarian and die of heart disease eating that kind of replica food.
What do you mean by "80% vegetarian"? You eat 20% meat? Isn't that close to the recommended proportion of meat in a diet, which would make you a normal person but not a vegetarian?
Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?
#119The naysayers in the comment thread are missing the understanding that the fundamental technologies driving this are all moving exponentially. Beyond Meat's innovation came from a Stanford professor who is an expert in RNA molecules (he helped them figure out their protein structure/selection), impossible foods is a synthetic biology company. Exponential techs always underwhelm in the beginning but soon deliver more…
Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?
#120I'm excited for meat alternatives, but have 3 thoughts on them that I haven't seen mentioned yet (I'm 42): * Nearly all of the rangeland and high desert in the western US was destroyed by cattle and sheep grazing over the past 150 years. This is a billion dollar industry with the emotional buy-in of millions of people so I'm skeptical that it will be reformed in our lifetimes. * My digestive system got wrecked trying…
Sadly, as most of us probably know already, that would require the buddies of Big Agriculture to do work that directly attacks Big Agriculture. Won't happen, not now, not ever. There's simply too much money in it.
I think the only thing that might shuttle this process along is that Big Agri starts coming out with their own plant-based alternatives, like Tyson is doing. Once the big money gets into the political environment, that's when things will really change. I look forward to the prices taking a dive when that happens.