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Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by odyssey7 » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:11 PM UTC

zackmorris wrote: post #130

landonxjames wrote: post #112

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> My digestive system got wrecked trying to be on a mostly vegetarian diet over several years after the housing bubble popped. The gist of it is that the lectins (and other defense mechanisms in the husks) of legumes and nightshades disrupt the mucus lining of the intestines, which leads to leaky gut and stool getting into the body cavity and blood (leaky gut), which may lead to autoimmune diseases like colitis and a…

Ya sorry, it's a relatively new concept: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319593.php My feeling is that it's similar to how allergies/cancer/etc often have 2 or more triggers that must coincide to set off the condition. So for example, maybe people who wouldn't typically have gluten sensitivity (a lectin), ended up with it because they distrupted their gut flora by eating, say, the glyphosate in oats (especi…

Emulsifiers are also being investigated for causing issues like that. I find them to be a more compelling explanation for rising rates of these issues.

A lot of specialty vegan and dairy-free products are filled with them to turn plant-based ingredients creamy or milky. They're also very common in non-specialty processed foods that many vegetarians eat more of than omnivores.

News article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-emulsifiers/study...

The study: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14232

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:13 PM UTC

fmajid wrote: post #167

p1necone wrote: post #155

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I've had a beyond meat burger, I'm curious to hear the opinion of others that have had one too because I thought it tasted terrible . The texture was nothing like real ground beef and neither was the flavour. It wasn't good different either - I'd much rather have a regular bean burger. I feel like it's all marketing and they're just riding the hype wave caused by other better products or peoples desire for one. (I as…

I tried the Imopssible Burger, and it also tasted terrible. I prefer veggie burgers that don't try and pretend they are something they are not. The future is vat-grown meat, not ersatz meat.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by defterGoose » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:14 PM UTC

seisvelas wrote: post #158

moreranchplease wrote: post #55

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You don't think water shortages will change people's preferences?

No. I live in Mexico City, where it is not unheard of for the government to outright cut off the city water supply for days to account for shortages. People's preferences haven't changed. Beef continues to be very popular, as do public fountains. The choice not to consume meat (at least here) is mostly associated with pretentious, upperclass people who like yoga and are keenly interested in social justice (there is e…

So what you're saying is that continuing your current beef consumption is a neutral activity, while trying to cut back due to environmental impact is simply virtue signalling? Maybe the people trying to cut back are ahead of the curve. Maybe those people realize that if the worst effects of climate change and population growth come to pass, that cutting back now could mean the impact on beef supply in the future is mitigated. I guess, in that case, the "unpretentious, lower class people who hate yoga" would have those tree huggers to thank.

Peoples' preference for war hasn't changed either (most people don't want it), but we still find ourselves in conflict at every turn. That's because you can't go too long without confronting the objective physical reality of scarcity of resources.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by klipt » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:15 PM UTC

invisiblerobot wrote: post #162

tptacek wrote: post #146

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"Veggie burger that tastes better" is kind of a big deal, because (to at least a first approximation) the only reason people don't exclusively eat veggie burgers is that they don't taste better.

People also eat meat because it's a lot more energy efficient. One real burger lasts me for 7+ hrs where a veggie burger maybe 2.

Could just be the veggie burger has less fat. Fat/oil keeps you satiated. But it's always easier to add more oil to a veggie burger, than it is to make a meat burger lean.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by Thriptic » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:15 PM UTC

p1necone wrote: post #155

notJim wrote: post #124

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Maybe with Impossible Foods, but I don't see anything about RNA here: > The vegan meat substitutes are made from mixtures of pea protein isolates, rice protein, mung bean protein, canola oil, coconut oil, and other ingredients like potato starch, apple extract, sunflower lecithin, and pomegranate powder with a range of vitamins and minerals. Beef products that "bleed" are achieved by using beet juice Just sounds like…

I've had a beyond meat burger, I'm curious to hear the opinion of others that have had one too because I thought it tasted terrible . The texture was nothing like real ground beef and neither was the flavour. It wasn't good different either - I'd much rather have a regular bean burger. I feel like it's all marketing and they're just riding the hype wave caused by other better products or peoples desire for one. (I as…

I've had the impossible burger on multiple occasions. Every time I've had it, it felt like whoever cooked it either didn't care or was trying to present the burger as basically as possible to try to demo it as a discrete product. The trouble is, that's not how anyone over the age of 10 actually eats any kind of burger, so it's not really a fair presentation. If you actually season it (it absolutely needs salt and pepper) and put on equivalent toppings and condiments, it's really not bad at all in my opinion. I tend to view it like soylent. It's definitely not as good as a good beef burger, but it's good enough to consider eating regularly for convenience and health reasons.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by aroberge » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:16 PM UTC

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #87

omarhaneef wrote: post #11

I think the part that rings clearly in my head is the ethical part. I really cannot believe we eat animals. I know other animals do it all the time -- and I don't hold it against tigers and lions -- but its still strange to me that we, humans, do it. If you don't feel that strong surprise, then I think the other arguments may or may not work for you. But if you have that sense that it is strange and perhaps off, then…

>> I really cannot believe we eat animals I don't understand this. We are animals. Why is it specially prohibited to us that we eat other animals? Note also that, as animals, we are not plant-eaters: we can't survive on plant matter alone. We are made [1] to eat other animals. We are omnivores, yes? So why is it unethical for us, specifically, to eat other animals when it's not unethical for other animals? __________…

> we can't survive on plant matter alone.

Many people are vegans and thrive.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by AareyBaba » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:17 PM UTC

p1necone wrote: post #155

notJim wrote: post #124

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Maybe with Impossible Foods, but I don't see anything about RNA here: > The vegan meat substitutes are made from mixtures of pea protein isolates, rice protein, mung bean protein, canola oil, coconut oil, and other ingredients like potato starch, apple extract, sunflower lecithin, and pomegranate powder with a range of vitamins and minerals. Beef products that "bleed" are achieved by using beet juice Just sounds like…

I've had a beyond meat burger, I'm curious to hear the opinion of others that have had one too because I thought it tasted terrible . The texture was nothing like real ground beef and neither was the flavour. It wasn't good different either - I'd much rather have a regular bean burger. I feel like it's all marketing and they're just riding the hype wave caused by other better products or peoples desire for one. (I as…

I purchased a package of Beyond Meat Burgers after the IPO stock skyrocketed, to see what all the fuss was about.

The texture is like a persian koobideh kabab, the taste is meh, but I couldn't stand the ammonia like smell. The aftertaste lingered for most of the day and I had to ventilate my kitchen to get rid of the odor. I'd rather eat a Dr Praegers veggie burger.

Their Beyond Meat Sausages (Brat) are much better but I'm not sold on the idea of these processed foods.

I didn't buy any Beyond Meat stock.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:23 PM UTC

Thriptic wrote: post #175

p1necone wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a beyond meat burger, I'm curious to hear the opinion of others that have had one too because I thought it tasted terrible . The texture was nothing like real ground beef and neither was the flavour. It wasn't good different either - I'd much rather have a regular bean burger. I feel like it's all marketing and they're just riding the hype wave caused by other better products or peoples desire for one. (I as…

I've had the impossible burger on multiple occasions. Every time I've had it, it felt like whoever cooked it either didn't care or was trying to present the burger as basically as possible to try to demo it as a discrete product. The trouble is, that's not how anyone over the age of 10 actually eats any kind of burger, so it's not really a fair presentation. If you actually season it (it absolutely needs salt and pep…

> The trouble is, that's not how anyone over the age of 10 actually eats a beef burger either

Most of the people over 5 I've seen eat a beef burger that way are also over 50, not under 10.

> I tend to view it like soylent. It's definitely not as good as a good beef burger, but it's good enough to consider eating regularly for convenience and health reasons.

Does Impossible actually have convenience advantages?

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by cassianoleal » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:24 PM UTC

I don't think Beyond Meat or any of the other beggie burgers will replace a good cut of Fraldinha, Vazio, Picanha, Ribs, T-bone, etc any time soon.

In Brazil we eat that - proper beef from real cows grown on grass. Burgers are seen as what they are - fatty fast food. Actual meat is something else entirely.

Re: The Beginning of the End of the Beef Industry?

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Post by thatswrong0 » Wed, Jul 31, 2019, 11:25 PM UTC

klipt wrote: post #174

invisiblerobot wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People also eat meat because it's a lot more energy efficient. One real burger lasts me for 7+ hrs where a veggie burger maybe 2.

Could just be the veggie burger has less fat. Fat/oil keeps you satiated. But it's always easier to add more oil to a veggie burger, than it is to make a meat burger lean.

I thought protein was better for satiation than fat?