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NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

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Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

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Post by ZoF »

newman8r wrote: post #188
jMyles wrote: post #177

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Yep, you're right - I was off by a decade. I initially heard about this not from The New Jim Crow but from this (seemingly awesome) Brown University student: http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2014/dec/0... ...but if I'm doing the math correctly, it appears to hold even for 1860 for adult males.

Actually I see now that you specifically said 'black men', which is a different statistic, so I think you might be correct.

The difference being of course that slaves were unjustly enslaved and prisoners committed a crime...

Just a minor difference.

The truth is that some blacks are unjustly imprisoned by bigots, the lie is that imprisoned blacks are not generally deservedly prisoned.

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Post by giardini »

Is there a chance, nay, is there not certainty, that some individual or group of persons in the NSA could or does, by selectively monitoring, personally gain tremendous wealth or influence? E.g., if I were an NSA employee and used my access to follow the phone calls of, say, the officers of Goldman-Sachs? What information, of financial value, could I possibly gain? What possibilities for gain await a a rogue organized group of such employees?

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Post by DSingularity »

jMyles wrote: post #67
anoncoward778 wrote: post #17

Automatically collecting everyone's cell phone data, has software automatically installed in Smart TV's everywhere, monitors your online footprint (emails, social media[of course]). All those warning from Snowden all those secret software reveals from wikileaks an untold amount of funding from congress with virtually no oversight. And yet tons of bad things keep happening to regular citizens in the US. What exactly d…

> Whom are they protecting? Cause it sure is not the average citizen. But was there ever any indication to the contrary? How did we as Americans convert to the myth that our government, let alone our "intelligence" agencies, have any inclination to protect us or advance our interests? That has never been their practice ever. Our government spent the better part of a century not only allowing 3.5 million of us to live…

I believe they behave the way they do because this is their strategy by design. I feel that during the Cold War strategists realized that being a democracy is a vulnerability. Were the soviets actually willing to go there and exploit it by manipulating the American public? Who knows. But that’s not how military strategy is created.

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Post by jMyles »

damon_c wrote: post #190
jMyles wrote: post #115

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No no, I'm just pointing out that the 13th amendment to the Constitution didn't outlaw slavery entirely, but instead a clause literally beginning with the word "except" - can you imagine? "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except ..." It's candor and obfuscation at the very same time. Here's the rest of the text: "...as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist with…

One of the most ridiculous manifestations of this is at this prison called "Angola" in Louisiana which is literally built on a cotton field and has forced prisoners to pick cotton since around 1880. https://mic.com/articles/88461/a-modern-day-slave-plantation... edit: another link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_State_Penitentiary

Seriously man. Imagine for a moment that Germany still had capital punishment. And they decided to use the gas chamber to administer it. I think it's the same level of insensitivity at work with the US continuing Angola as a cotton plantation in the name of administering "criminal justice." Like, have we no shame at all? Do we not care at all about what we did and the spiritual consequences of allowing its imagine to continue?

Also: good to see you. :-)

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Post by JasonFruit »

jMyles wrote: post #139
mk89 wrote: post #125

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The concept of prison the way we intend it is relatively new (let's say a couple of hundred years). So I am not surprised to see that there are still some references to slavery here and there, because that was actually the punishment back then. The reason we have more blacks than white in prison is for dozens reasons: - legacy - cultural differences - social injustice Etc. Don't solve problems, ignore them, expect th…

I don't think a single iota of the prison disparity - not one - is attributable to "cultural differences". I also don't think that it is an accident. Drug prohibition was designed precisely - and initially sold expressly - as a way to control black and asian people, and later other people of color. > Don't solve problems, ignore them, expect that people behave the way you want, wait until someone screws up here and h…

Got a good link on that? I'm learning some stuff today. Thanks for trading internet points for the chance to teach me.

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Post by tossedaside111 »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #144
mk89 wrote: post #125

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The concept of prison the way we intend it is relatively new (let's say a couple of hundred years). So I am not surprised to see that there are still some references to slavery here and there, because that was actually the punishment back then. The reason we have more blacks than white in prison is for dozens reasons: - legacy - cultural differences - social injustice Etc. Don't solve problems, ignore them, expect th…

This should be downvoted to oblivion. The only folks I've ever heard say black people's (we're not "blacks" BTW, we are actually people) problems are attributable to our culture ate racist shitbags. In order to believe that black people have some intrinsic culture of self destruction one would have to believe that culture evolves in some sort of vacuum. This couldn't be further from the truth when talking about Afric…

What is hiphop if not cultural espousal of self-destructive behavior?

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Post by nitrogen »

praneshp wrote: post #101
joering2 wrote: post #92

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CIA founded Google, for one. An apple doesn't fall far from a tree. https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...

Isn't that a bit of a jump, and specifically called out in the quartz article as not true? "Did the CIA directly fund the work of Brin and Page, and therefore create Google? No."

You should probably quote the article title too:

"Google’s true origin partly lies in CIA and NSA research grants for mass surveillance"

The gist I got from skimming it is that the CIA didn't "directly" fund them because that's handled by a differwnt group acting in their interest.

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Post by jMyles »

JasonFruit wrote: post #215
jMyles wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think a single iota of the prison disparity - not one - is attributable to "cultural differences". I also don't think that it is an accident. Drug prohibition was designed precisely - and initially sold expressly - as a way to control black and asian people, and later other people of color. > Don't solve problems, ignore them, expect that people behave the way you want, wait until someone screws up here and h…

Got a good link on that? I'm learning some stuff today. Thanks for trading internet points for the chance to teach me.

> Got a good link on that?

I'm sure I do, but I'm not sure exactly which point you're asking about here. :-)

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Post by JasonFruit »

jMyles wrote: post #218
JasonFruit wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got a good link on that? I'm learning some stuff today. Thanks for trading internet points for the chance to teach me.

> Got a good link on that? I'm sure I do, but I'm not sure exactly which point you're asking about here. :-)

I'll just Google --- you're a busy person.

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Post by lovich »

basicplus2 wrote: post #184
alistproducer2 wrote: post #144

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This should be downvoted to oblivion. The only folks I've ever heard say black people's (we're not "blacks" BTW, we are actually people) problems are attributable to our culture ate racist shitbags. In order to believe that black people have some intrinsic culture of self destruction one would have to believe that culture evolves in some sort of vacuum. This couldn't be further from the truth when talking about Afric…

I had to look it up.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_economy And in doing so I read this bit about "it may have had as much to do with spreading poverty around" I presume that white people no longer having the black people to live off meant A. white people had to do alot more work themselves, and B. white people had to share much more of the available resources with black people So that they actively partic…

You had to look up Jim Crow laws? If you are American then that is an active level of ignorance. It is taught in most schools systems as far as I am aware, and is frequently brought up in the news and other political commentary, especially in the context of any sort of checks on voter registration. I took OP's comment as you would have to look up the peonage system

If you are not American then it would be perfectly understandable to be unaware

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