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"Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala" No it doesn't.
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41349.pdf p15 If you want to argue that security cordons and fences are not a "wall", then fine. There is no wall on the southern border of Mexico. Just a security cordon and fences.
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#212There are quite a few Trump supporters in the Valley, but they simply stay quiet because they will get 'racist' yelled at them and it will potentially hurt their careers.
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Being included in the debates is not winning. I consider myself to be mostly a Libertarian, but I have no illusions. Short of some beyond comprehension post-singularity-ish event, no Libertarian will ever win the Presidency.
> Short of some beyond comprehension post-singularity-ish event, no Libertarian will ever win the Presidency. Partisan realignments in which a major party is displaced are not "beyond comprehension post-singularity events" (heck, even the kind of electoral reforms that would end duopoly aren't, though they are unprecedented within the US, unlike major realignments) even if its been 150 years since the last one in the…
I'm at a loss to see how we disagree on my point. The libertarian party won't be upending our two-party system at the national level. Ever.
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I still feel that there is a real difference in the shamelessness of Trump's lies. Many easily contradictable. At least Hillary would care if she was caught out, that puts some constraint on her.
that makes her more dangerous, not less. I would always prefer the devil I know...
He makes things up in writing such as who wrote his wife's speech that he really doesn't need to; surely less lies is better than more.
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Short of some beyond comprehension post-singularity-ish event, no Libertarian will ever win the Presidency. Partisan realignments in which a major party is displaced are not "beyond comprehension post-singularity events" (heck, even the kind of electoral reforms that would end duopoly aren't, though they are unprecedented within the US, unlike major realignments) even if its been 150 years since the last one in the…
"unprecedented within the US" I'm at a loss to see how we disagree on my point. The libertarian party won't be upending our two-party system at the national level. Ever.
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Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala. Is that racist too? Not sure exactly what you mean by anti-trade, and how it relates to racism. Mexican is a nationality, not a race. There are Mexicans of all races, including white(which latinos are classed as, but lets say western european ethnicity too) Islam is a religion, not a race. There are Muslims of all races, including white.
"Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala." See, here is how it goes. You are a vociferous Trump supporter on the Internet. At the same time, you repeat false things that you heard from some other idiot. It's not much of a leap from there to the conclusion that all Trump supporters are idiots.
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Nations continue to exist without border security -- and, indeed, without the nation having borders or a state to secure them.
I am not being smug, just genuinely curious - can you provide contemporary examples of a major nation without border security?
Of course, several centuries in to the era of the nation-state as a dominant form, lots of people confuse states and nations.
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I'm hesitant to believe anyone who says definitively what trump 'is'. Because there is no voting record to speak of legislation wise, everything is just speculation based on what he says. And he says a lot of things.
A voting record is the only way to determine that?
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He has criticized John McCain and Lindsey Graham over their pro war stances. In the debates he has mentioned problems with the interventionist foreign policy. Surprisingly he even attracted support of Michael Scheuer ( a huge critic of our interventionist foreign policy), although I believe he has pulled back a bit on that recently. However, yes he has also made somewhat contradictory statements as well. So, it is ha…
Honest question: if that's really what you believe (that he's fundamentally unpredictable), why would you vote for him?
It will be very interesting of Gary Johnson can succeed in getting into the debates. If he has a good performance, that could really change everything.
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#220From Peter Thiels perspective its a smart move because he's the only one willing to do something this crazy. This gives him a "monopoly" (as he likes to say) on political access as it relates to the tech world if Trump wins. In short it looks like a bet. Personally I find Trump an archetype of everything I'm trying to get away from in life.... but that is not the point. Also this is just my opinion and maybe their is…
If you have a classical education (reading lots of old books) then this is all perfectly comprehensible. The story Thiel tells is also intuitively comprehensible to blue collar workers without being fortified by intellectual assistance. Having both a classical reading library and a blue collar background everything I have seen so far makes perfect sense.
If however you're part of what the WaPo describes as:
"The one publicly acceptable reason seems to be that Silicon Valley needs to become more than an ossified monoculture of liberal upper-class privileged ethnic groups.
“Tech industry is primarily out of touch by being too far to the Left,” tweeted investor Keith Rabois, in a conversation about Thiel."
Then nothing will ever make sense, just as the Remain voters in Brexit literally find their loss incomprehensible. There is nothing wrong with being left oriented politically, it's a perfectly acceptable set of values that society often requires but if you're surrounded by people identical to yourself you're unlikely to get substantive negative feedback.
I have to say that in experience the middle classes are much more resistant to the realization everything is not improving outside of computers despite the evidence surrounding them. When they see troubles ahead they want to shoot the messengers, usually by describing individuals as mentally ill or conjuring up bogeymen like the Nazis, they are extremely resistant to the idea we are dealing with a systemic problem. A decline is not in their portfolio or in their suite of mental models.