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Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by josephlord »

seany wrote: post #52
josephlord wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you like about him?

Honestly, Trump and Hillary aren't that different. He's a little less of a warhawk, speaks his mind, and is pro-2A. The last one is almost enough on its own for me, given Hillarys stance on that issue.

But he lies so much and makes so many factual errors how can you trust him on anything? His pro-torture position seems to show disregard of the 8th amendment is he really going to protect the others and is the 2A that much more important to you than all the others?

I'm no saying that you should like Hillary but congress will probably block gun reform as always and while she spins and dissembles at times it isn't the same outrageous disregard for the truth that I see from Trump.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by 13years »

Miner49er wrote: post #131
13years wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gary will appeal to libertarian leaning, but much less to principled libertarians. A lot of his recent statements have come across as major disappointments to core libertarians. Such as his support of Hillary over her emails, reluctance to audit the fed, support for basic income and his VP pick which is seen as purely establishment.

Basic income actually is a pretty Libertarian idea IMO. It gives people the choice to spend their money however, unlike food stamps and other benefits. It's gonna be needed eventually as more jobs are automated as well.

I know it is accepted by some where it is definitely seen as at least better than the existing method of providing support.

However, a lot of libertarians follow a non aggression principle, which says you can't use force or violence against anyone except to protect their liberty.

Basic income isn't compatible with that principle in that you will have to extract that resource by force from other people violating their property rights.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by googlryas »

pbreit wrote: post #147
googlryas wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala. Is that racist too? Not sure exactly what you mean by anti-trade, and how it relates to racism. Mexican is a nationality, not a race. There are Mexicans of all races, including white(which latinos are classed as, but lets say western european ethnicity too) Islam is a religion, not a race. There are Muslims of all races, including white.

"Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala" No it doesn't.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41349.pdf p15

If you want to argue that security cordons and fences are not a "wall", then fine. There is no wall on the southern border of Mexico. Just a security cordon and fences.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by joe5150 »

googlryas wrote: post #111
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

of the top of my head, ignoring stuff from this campaign (there are so many things there...): he has settled suits for racial discrimination about not renting to minorities he advocated the death penalty for the since exhonerated "central park 5" in a full page ad in the daily news he was the leader of the "birther" movement against president obama.

Re suits: As far as I know, he was never found guilty in any of those law suits. "Settling" is not an admission of guilt. It could just as easily be the cost/benefit of fighting the lawsuit is not worth it. The government has deep pockets after all. Re central park 5: Yes, that was a huge blunder(as was that entire case for that matter). Is there any indication it was based on their race, and not the savagery of the…

It's an incredibly (and I mean dishonestly) generous view of birtherism to say it had nothing to do with Obama's race.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by dragonwriter »

crusso wrote: post #144
tlrobinson wrote: post #134

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Being included the debates is not "nothing".

Being included in the debates is not winning. I consider myself to be mostly a Libertarian, but I have no illusions. Short of some beyond comprehension post-singularity-ish event, no Libertarian will ever win the Presidency.

> Short of some beyond comprehension post-singularity-ish event, no Libertarian will ever win the Presidency.

Partisan realignments in which a major party is displaced are not "beyond comprehension post-singularity events" (heck, even the kind of electoral reforms that would end duopoly aren't, though they are unprecedented within the US, unlike major realignments) even if its been 150 years since the last one in the US.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by intopieces »

tlrobinson wrote: post #30
intopieces wrote: post #7

Given the libertarian/Randian streak that runs through silicon valley, support for Trump doesn't seem too outlandish. Especially when you consider his non-dedication to the typical right-wing 'family values' that aren't really popular in that region of California.

Trump is definitely not libertarian: https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-...

I'm hesitant to believe anyone who says definitively what trump 'is'. Because there is no voting record to speak of legislation wise, everything is just speculation based on what he says. And he says a lot of things.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by honkhonkpants »

googlryas wrote: post #105
pbreit wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Wall? Anti-trade? Believes judges with Muslim or Mexican heritage are incapable of being fair?

Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala. Is that racist too? Not sure exactly what you mean by anti-trade, and how it relates to racism. Mexican is a nationality, not a race. There are Mexicans of all races, including white(which latinos are classed as, but lets say western european ethnicity too) Islam is a religion, not a race. There are Muslims of all races, including white.

"Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala." See, here is how it goes. You are a vociferous Trump supporter on the Internet. At the same time, you repeat false things that you heard from some other idiot. It's not much of a leap from there to the conclusion that all Trump supporters are idiots.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by googlryas »

joe5150 wrote: post #154
googlryas wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re suits: As far as I know, he was never found guilty in any of those law suits. "Settling" is not an admission of guilt. It could just as easily be the cost/benefit of fighting the lawsuit is not worth it. The government has deep pockets after all. Re central park 5: Yes, that was a huge blunder(as was that entire case for that matter). Is there any indication it was based on their race, and not the savagery of the…

It's an incredibly (and I mean dishonestly) generous view of birtherism to say it had nothing to do with Obama's race.

This exact same question was raised with John McCain back in 2008, because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/...

Was that because of his race too?

I suspect we stopped hearing about McCain, and kept hearing about Obama, because Obama became president.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Post by googlryas »

honkhonkpants wrote: post #157
googlryas wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala. Is that racist too? Not sure exactly what you mean by anti-trade, and how it relates to racism. Mexican is a nationality, not a race. There are Mexicans of all races, including white(which latinos are classed as, but lets say western european ethnicity too) Islam is a religion, not a race. There are Muslims of all races, including white.

"Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala." See, here is how it goes. You are a vociferous Trump supporter on the Internet. At the same time, you repeat false things that you heard from some other idiot. It's not much of a leap from there to the conclusion that all Trump supporters are idiots.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41349.pdf p15
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