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Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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The Wall? Anti-trade? Believes judges with Muslim or Mexican heritage are incapable of being fair?

Sorry, you are confusing nationalism with racism. For example, there is nothing racist about border security (the wall). In fact without significant border security, a nation ceases to exist.

Nations continue to exist without border security -- and, indeed, without the nation having borders or a state to secure them.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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I don't give a hoot about any of that stuff you want. I'm responding to some dupe who has fallen for an Internet hoax claiming to show a gigantic wall on the Mexico/Guatemala border. There is no such wall.

I already admitted I was mistaken about the wall, and there is just a military cordon there instead. As I asked in another post, does that negate my entire post?

Yes, because you have already outed yourself as the kind of person who will fall for anything.

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#193
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Honestly, Trump and Hillary aren't that different. He's a little less of a warhawk, speaks his mind, and is pro-2A. The last one is almost enough on its own for me, given Hillarys stance on that issue.

But he lies so much and makes so many factual errors how can you trust him on anything? His pro-torture position seems to show disregard of the 8th amendment is he really going to protect the others and is the 2A that much more important to you than all the others? I'm no saying that you should like Hillary but congress will probably block gun reform as always and while she spins and dissembles at times it isn't the…

I see the current federal gun control laws as an overreach. So the fact that she's for an additional assault weapon ban, when we should be pulling back on rules is just a total non starter on that issue.

It's just as important as any over constitutionally protected right. With the way the courts are stacked these days I'm not that worried about roe v wade flipping, or a major set back on free speech. Gun issues I only see going in a negative way unless there is a strong pro gun person at the federal level.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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> But he lies so much and makes so many factual errors how can you trust him on anything? This applies to Hillary too, you know? The most awful thing about this election is that neither candidate is trustworthy. They are both blatant liars.

I still feel that there is a real difference in the shamelessness of Trump's lies. Many easily contradictable. At least Hillary would care if she was caught out, that puts some constraint on her.

no she wouldn't. Look at the whole emailgate scandal.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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The other clowns who ran for the Libertarian party nomination make it really hard to take Gary Johnson seriously. That he is their candidate really just says he meets the very, very low bar that was set by the other candidates.

A two-time governor running with another two-time governor as his VP? Both former Republicans overwhelmingly re-elected in Democratic states? Both fiscally conservative and socially liberal? I take that pretty seriously.

Not to mention that, while I do not personally agree with Gary Johnson on many (I consistently score the lowest with him on the I side with quiz) of his policies, it's hard to ignore that quite a few of the policies he has enacted as Governor have actually worked quite well. Admittedly, I have not researched this much. I simply haven't had time this summer and when I did look at this, back in May, it didn't look like he'd get to 15%.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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There are quite a few Trump supporters in the Valley, but they simply stay quiet because they will get 'racist' yelled at them and it will potentially hurt their careers.

This is a man who has demonstrated an extraordinary and heretofore unrivaled degree of ignorance and stupidity on the public stage. Clinton's no angel herself, but at least she has a brain. I think there's an IQ hurdle a potential candidate needs to clear and even though it's relatively low, Trump has managed the astonishing feat of not being able to meet it. That alone disqualifies him. Any further arguments are irrelevant.

That's why one feels compelled to assume that Trump supporters - the ones we would otherwise assume are reasonably intelligent at least - must have an ulterior rationale for their vote. The most obvious explanation is closet bigotry.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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He's so inconsistent with his rhetoric that it's hard to say. But the libertarian impression exists in the negative: Clinton's style is decidedly not libertarian, and Trump is a businessman by trade so I think in the mind of voters "it stands to reason."

Just because Clinton isn't libertarian, doesn't mean Trump is. I think the public has a basic capacity for logic and that's as basic as it gets. You know who is libertarian? Gary Johnson.

> I think the public has a basic capacity for logic and that's as basic as it gets.

Trump is literally lying about his opposition to the Iraq war and his supporters don't care. He also picked a running mate who voted for the Iraq war, despite criticizing his opponent for it.

I try not to paint an entire populous with a broad brush. But logic doesn't appear to be something that, on average, is exhibited by the voters.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

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Sorry, you are confusing nationalism with racism. For example, there is nothing racist about border security (the wall). In fact without significant border security, a nation ceases to exist.

Nations continue to exist without border security -- and, indeed, without the nation having borders or a state to secure them.

I am not being smug, just genuinely curious - can you provide contemporary examples of a major nation without border security?

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

#199

We've already established that you're an idiot. You're just reinforcing the fact if you continue to claim that a "security cordon" is the same thing as a wall.

That's an egregious violation of the HN guidelines and a bannable offense, but since I don't see a pattern of it in your other comments, we won't ban you for this. Please, though, don't post anything like this again. Comments here need to remain respectful regardless of how wrong or mistaken somebody else is:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12131710 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Peter Thiel’s Embrace of Trump Has Silicon Valley Squirming

#200
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I'm curious which of these points downvoters are disagreeing with. I say this as someone with family members who look very much "Mexican" to most Americans. I don't like Trump's talk at all, but how would anyone with illegal immigrant parents would have comfortable family gatherings after supporting Trump? Job or not, family is strong. Is this just an example of herd HN behavior?

The last one - 5. There is no such thing as reverse racism.

You're not wrong. It's just plain old racism.
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