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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by aftbit »

nixosbestos wrote: post #95
llm_nerd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume they believe in the advantages, to the company, of using these AI tools. Of adding them to the workflow, training their employees, and understanding quickly how it impacts their space. If you just wait and all of your competitors have a workforce enabled and equipped with the best tools, you are at a disadvantage. It's being the company that put off computerization or automation when everyone else went wild.…

ChatGPT thinks 9.11 > 9.9. I'm in no hurry.

Javascript thinks that 11 
    > [11,9,1,3].sort()  
    [ 1, 11, 3, 9 ]

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by charles_f »

xattt wrote: post #55
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

> The summaries are just not very good, and any sort of LLM writing is a tacit acknowledgement that people don’t really care what they are writing, an that no one is really reading that writing very carefully.) I tend to write emails aggressively. The friendly option is helpful to tone down the rhetoric.

I do the same! Lately when something really infuriates me, I tend to lean into it, write the email with insults and all, and let chatgpt make it into something that won't get me fired.

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Post by MobiusHorizons »

buryat wrote: post #125
kemiller2002 wrote: post #15

We have a family friend who is blind and a programmer. It's interesting to hear his perspective. His hope and expectation are that it will greatly increase usability. I've been thrown into the usability deep end due to my wife also losing her sight due to an autoimmune disorder, and my dad losing his sight due to Macular Degeneration. Honestly, it sucks, and I mean like rage quitting, phone throwing sucks. (Try it. T…

in order to cure Macular Degeneration we have to develop many different technologies that can be used for power control, it's inevitable as our history shows cyclical nature and behaviors of humans are predefined throughout the history because conceptually the same ideas and thoughts are being encoded and rehashed and decoded by newer generations.

Is this generated by AI? Also how does power control or history cycles have anything to do with curing macular degeneration?

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Post by addandsubtract »

brookst wrote: post #127
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

> any sort of LLM writing is a tacit acknowledgement that people don’t really care what they are writing Couldn’t be further from my experience. I work with a distributed team that has four different native languages, with substantial engineering staff for each. LLMs have made our cross-geo communications so much better. I can get a summary of a standup that happened overnight (to me) and in a foreign language (to me…

Do you use an specific tools to streamline the translation or format of your communication? I'm facing the same problem, but wonder how well an LLM would be at translating / understanding the domain specific terminology that we use.

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Post by aftbit »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #186
gilleain wrote: post #170

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It's interesting that there is this division between programmers who claim LLMs are super helpful, and those saying they are useless. While it's certainly possible that this divide is based on how 'hard' the problems people are using them on, my current theory is that some people use them like the proverbial rubber duck - in other words, a way to explore the code, and generate some stuff to work on, while thinking th…

Some people seem to be taking me saying "you must work on boring code" as a judgement against them as developers, and it isn't. I'm speaking directly from my experience: If I asked it beginner-tier questions about how to do X in Y language, it would get those right quite often. I could see Copilot being very useful if you're breaking into a new language, or just knocking the rust off the gears of one in your head. An…

Yeah, at least 90% of any job is just making license plates. I have worked on both very complex and challenging code and also very simple and easy code in my career, even within one job.

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Post by lostmsu »

everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

> I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs.

Well, too bad for you, as a 3rd party we had no reason to artificially restrict our handsfree AI voice companion to new iPhone models: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id6737482921?mt=8

(shameless self-promotion)

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Post by shayonj »

The true "intelligence" I want isn't in rewriting or summarizing emails and texts IMHO - that's actually confusing and frustrating from a product usability POV.

What I'd truly love is the ability to dictate lists to Siri while walking, driving, or doing chores, and have Siri capture them in Notes as checklists, share them with my partner, and so on. I'd also like more contextual answers from my calendar, and the ability to access and share details from my notes, all in hands-free mode.

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Post by AlwaysRock »

jdprgm wrote: post #175

I think this is much more on a botched rollout and a lack of vision. Apple should have been working on this for years and have some pretty big advantages. A deeply integrated version of the best o1 chat and vision models with context from all various apps and ability to do complex app interactions could be amazing. They could even have the ability to have AI basically create on demand personalized new applications fo…

I agree. This feels like the norm now a days though. An initial soft launch, iterative improvements from there. If something catches on, great! If it doesnt, less money/time spent upfront investing in it.

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Post by whimsicalism »

nerdjon wrote: post #114
TheJoeMan wrote: post #62

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I think you are downplaying just how many eggs Tim Cook has put in this basket to pitch to shareholders vs. the perceived low % of apple engineering staff that seems to have been involved in its creation. ATT has been advertising "get the new iPhone with Apple Intelligence" before it was even available for sale! And now it's here, and it's a tiny bump in feature set. A super missed opportunity to rebrand/completely r…

Apple has to balance it, clearly investors want to shove AI into everything but most users simply don't care or want to be reminded its "AI" every moment. Apple has to walk the line between both of these groups. You are right about investors, but how many of those investors have also funded and continue to push for vaporware products and features? We have seen this many many times over the last couple of years. So I…

users have been actively propagandized by the media against ‘AI’ but will probably find it useful in the cases where they use it

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Post by llm_nerd »

jsheard wrote: post #172
vezycash wrote: post #150

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> ChatGPT thinks 9.11 > 9.9 I've confirmed this asked chatgpt: 9.11 > 9.9 true or false? True because .11 is greater than .9

Even when ChatGPT starts getting these simple gotcha questions right it's often because they applied some brittle heuristic that doesn't generalize. For example you can directly ask it to solve a simple math problem, which nowadays it will usually do correctly by generating and executing a Python script, but then ask it to write a speech announcing the solution to the same problem, to which it will probably still hal…

4o and o1 get this right.

LLMs should never do math. They shouldn't count letters or sort lists or play chess or checkers. Basically all of the easy gotcha stuff that people use to point out errors are things that they shouldn't do.

And you pointed out something they do now which is creating and run a python script. That really is a pretty solid, sustainable heuristic and is actually a pretty great approach. They need to apply that on their backend too so it works across all modes, but the solution was never just an LLM.

Similarly, if you ask an LLM a chess question -- e.g. the best move -- I'd expect it to consult a chess engine like Stockfish.

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